Talk:Tropical Storm Trami (2024)

Requested move 25 October 2024

Tropical Storm Trami (2024) → Tropical Storm Trami – The storm caused a higher death toll than the other storms named Trami. The article also meets WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. HurricaneEdgar 14:18, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Support per nom CyclonicStormYutu (talk) 15:07, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Support most likely will get retired, though I don't have a crystal ball. 80+ deaths is very high for tropical cyclones in general. INeedSupport ^:3 16:48, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Weak Support since the 2018 Trami was also quite consequential(and a Category 5 per JTWC). This Trami appears to have caused a much higher amount of deaths. Wildfireupdateman (talk) 16:49, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Support, per nom. very high deaths. Ampil ^{(Ταικ • Cοnτribυτιοns)} 03:17, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Strong Support: High casualty amount. Yes, move. Elios Peredhel (talk) 04:16, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose: The 2013 iteration of Tropical Storm Trami didn't cause more deaths than this storm, though that storm caused half of the deaths, and deaths aren't the deciding factor here. The 2013 iteration was actually once a typhoon by the JTWC and caused more damages than this iteration. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 04:31, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

The damage report will take a few more days to be released, as the figures may still change. This Trami has the highest death toll compared to previous storms with the same name. HurricaneEdgar 04:58, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Fatalities aren't just the deciding topic, Damage, Winds, Pressure, Coverage (the most important) are other topics you should consider, and since the 2013 iteration was the highest in all of them, then the 2013 edition might be the most significant, though I don't know about the last part. The app Windy says that the storm will make landfall in Vietnam tomorrow, so I don't think there will be that much more damage. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 05:07, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't think there is a Wikipedia policy that determines when terms like 'Damage,' 'Winds,' 'Pressure,' or 'Coverage'. Wikipedia usually prioritizes a term based on usage if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other single topic. HurricaneEdgar 05:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I wonder why you used fatalities then, but I think "Coverage" applies to this. I will search if the 2013 version has more coverage or less. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 05:14, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

• Weak support. Way deadlier, more destructive, and (personally) more notable and notorious than the 2006, 2013 and 2018 iterations but I don't think 2024's Trami is not yet the primary topic, as of this writing at least. But once it becomes the primary topic, I think I will change my vote to strong support. Vida0007 (talk) 05:57, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support: According to the List of retired Philippine typhoon names article. In order for a name to be retired, they must cause at least ₱1 billion ($20 million USD) in damage and/or kill at least 300 people within the Philippines. This storm cost $44.3 million in the Philippines alone. HarukaAmaranth 09:58, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

  @HarukaAmaranth the figure (which I assume comes from foreign sources) seems too early (premature). This recent Office of the Civil Defense report (via GMA Integrated News) gives the total cost of damage to more than PHP300 million (infrastructure and agriculture combined), which is at around US$5.13 million. Not yet reaching the criterion for retirement of "Kristine" (not Trami). JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 05:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

  To add: if the Philippine name is retired, the JMA-assigned name to that decommissioned (PAGASA loves to use this term) storm name (international name) would end up being retired as well, if the Philippines would request for it in the next ESCAP/WMO session. This has been the way since 2015.

  This actually results in storms that are usually relatively insignificant (i.e. causes only a few ten million dollars with single-digit number of deaths) to be retired, which causes cases like Vongfong 2020 and Saola 2023, which have the year indicators even though they were retired in those years. Bugnawfang (talk) 11:09, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Weak support Relatively high death toll, but it looks pale, especially with the damage total. Nevertheless, I think it will gain a lot more traction in the coming weeks after chaos from Kristine settles; it's just a matter of time for this Bugnawfang (talk) 14:31, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Weak support had 84 deaths more than 2018 but the 2018 one caused over 350x more damage than this one HOWEVER WP:PRIMARYTOPIC DANGA14^talk 18:05, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Weak oppose. Given that the storm is active I think it is a form of WP:RECENTISM to think that this storm is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. I am leaning towards the status quo and to revisit this discussion maybe a year after. By then, there will hopefully be more clarity. —seav (talk) 00:14, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Shit Many people can't able to distinguish, so don't fucking move. MYSKaoi (talk) 02:15, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Just say Oppose if you don't support the idea of moving it. SomeoneWiki04 (talk) 09:34, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry SomeoneWiki04. MYSKaoi (talk) 11:36, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral/weak support – Though indeed it is deadlier than the other Trami storms, it's not as costly and strong as 2018's and not as costly as 2013's Trami, I'd say this Trami does have a great chance to become WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, There's still recency bias though. SomeoneWiki04 (talk) 04:31, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Support. dotXK 11:52, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose–Why is this discussion actually here?Moving it make me feel weird Crominance (talk) 13:14, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Wait Really? No one here supports just waiting a bit and seeing what happens? The final death toll might be way higher. 2003 LN6 16:09, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Wait – As of now, I don't support the name change but like @2003 LN6 said, the damage can and most likely will rise. TheFloridaMan (talk) 01:55, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Support. We have done this all the time before an example is Typhoon Mawar had no year apart of its title, even though there were other storms called Mawar. It was because it was the deadliest and most relevant storm out of all the storms named Mawar. It should be the same for this storm. 8bit12man (talk) 02:16, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Opposite Another comment from me, as I said that many people can't distinguish one article with the other.

The year should be kept, a strong term to easier distinguish. Why? The formation year kept is due to several cases... MYSKaoi (talk) 10:10, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose – The notability of Trami 2024 does not clearly outshine that of all other storms with that name, and it has no readily apparent long-term significance at this time. Drdpw (talk) 13:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose: In 2013, Trami hit Taiwan.[1] Sinsyuan✍️🌏🚀 23:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Off topic but good luck with the new hurricane headed your way! Wildfireupdateman (talk) 23:43, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Nuetral– If Trami gets retired, then move. If it doesn't, then keep the current name 2600:1014:B113:855F:0:52:EE00:4F01 (talk) 00:35, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Should we?

Tropical Storm Trami (2024) → Tropical Storm Trami Looks like Trami would come back to the Philippines as I checked in Zoom Earth (zoom.earth). Anyways, I don't think a move shall be made as of now. "Keep it as it is." Remember that. Anenglishguyinthephils95 (talk) 10:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

@Anenglishguyinthephils95 What do you mean by that? Trami's already in the coast of Vietnam, moving east, but unless a miracle happens, I don't think it would make it out alive. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 23:42, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I really notice that why the name "Trami" in Vietnam, was written as "Trà Mi" or "Trà My". I'm from Vietnam so thats why I'm seen the name was weird. 2012An(4thwm1) (talk) a.k.a. MYSKaoi (talk) 05:32, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Maybe because "Trami", by itself, is a word submitted by Vietnam. It's an interesting case. Bugnawfang (talk) 11:10, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes. Thats right. I get that "Trami" (or even Trà Mi/Trà My) was summited by Vietnam, I get a weird look.

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See List of storms named Trami for more! 2012An(4thwm1) (talk) a.k.a. MYSKaoi (talk) 11:34, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Also, it seems like many people aren't able to distinguish between the 2024 typhoon and others that have the same name. Don't move. MYSKaoi (talk) 05:34, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Victim 109

@HurricaneEdgar I recall a report about one dead person from a falling tree in Manila sometime around 23-25 October but couldn't find it here in the article anymore. Maybe that could explain why the table is a bit inconsistent. Borgenland (talk) 16:57, 27 October 2024 (UTC)