Talk:Treaty of Labuan

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The picture of the audience hall currently used is from a different treaty

Latest comment: 1 year ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Treaty of Oct 1844 - Labuan was discussed but not formally offerred / ceded

Signing of the Treaty of Labuan 18 Dec 1846

I would suggest changing the picture currently used

to this one ------------->:

The picture you are using has been mis-captioned by MANY people which is why I didn't just switch it. I suspect it may upset people if I just changed it without talking first.

The picture many have labeled and used to illustrate the cession of Labuan is actually the signing of the Treaty between Brunei and England in Oct 1844. The anti-piracy and friendship treaty that was negotiated when Pengiran Muda Hassim returned to Brunei on the HMS Samarang and HEICS Phlegethon. The 6-pounder gun loaded with grape ammunition etc... is because Brooke was essentially deposing Pengiran Usop and replacing him with Raja Muda Hassim.

You can read for yourself here in Frank Marryat's book - https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=XM5CAAAAcAAJ&pg=GBS.PA108&hl=en

After the capture of Brunei 8 July 1846

The Sultan was intimidated by Mundy - it took 3 attempts for Mundy to see him. He tried in August, Sept and finally the last time in Dec.

You can read about the 1846 negotiations here: https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=FB1JAAAAcAAJ&pg=GBS.PA294-IA2&hl=en

Dec. 18. - At daylight I sent Lieutenant Little Dec. 18 . in charge of the boats of the Iris and Wolf , armed with twenty marines , to the capital , with orders to moor them in line of battle opposite the sultan's palace , and to await my arrival . Lieutenant Heath , was to assist as interpreter , with the Malays brought from Singapore . At noon I arrived . Pangeran Mumin received me on the steps , and the sultan at the gateway of the audience hall , and after shak ing hands , and the usual salutations , conducted me to a seat . The room was crowded with the pan gerans , rajahs , and dependants generally well dressed , and all armed with the krise . I com menced business immediately by stating that I had brought a treaty for his highness's seal and signa ture sent by the British Government which I hoped he would approve of , and which I begged might be read aloud by my interpreter . This was done , and the following are the clauses , short and to the point :

If you want to show the armed presence then maybe this is a better picture. I don't have conclusive proof but I'm pretty sure the flag on the right is the red & yellow flag of Raja Muda Hassim's family members who survived the massacre in late1845/early1846.

Marines stationed outside the Sultan's palace during the signing of the 1846 Treaty of Labuan

MatSallehSesat (talk) 16:26, 21 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

And if you still don't believe me, the artist Frank Marryat who drew the audience hall picture was on the HMS Samarang and the HMS Samarang was sent home in 1846. It arrived at Spithead England on 1 Oct 1846. He had nothing to do with the 1846 treaty.

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