Talk:Thriller (album)

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Dhoffryn Ok, are we going to remove this WSJ and NewYorker articles as well? These two articles also mention MJDangerous whose real name is Guillaume Vieira. And it has been cited in pages like Michael Jackson, List of best-selling albums, and List of best-selling music artists as well. Are you going to go remove these sources from those pages as well? TheWikiholic (talk) 05:21, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Originally I didn't know who exactly the "expert" was, much later I found out. Overall I support the removal, just maybe first others editors should pitch in with other opinions. Dhoffryn (talk) 05:48, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't think these sources should be eliminated, although they quote MJ Dangerous and his websites, there is other information that the authors of the articles write, that there is a huge discrepancy between the certified sales and the exaggerated sales figures that have been spread thanks to the Michael Jackson fan clubs. In the case of this Blogo site, sales are solely and exclusively estimative coming from MJ Dangerous and therefore should be disregarded.--Markus WikiEditor (talk) 17:12, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Since you have been conspiratorially bringing “Michael Jackson fan clubs” to the equation, perhaps you can check the older tweets by the authors of the WSJ and Newyorker? They are two known jaded Michael Jackson haters and they have expressed it multiple times through their tweets in the past. Wikipedia's reliability cannot be decided based on what you are saying, especially since the newyorker piece solely revolves around MJ Dangerous. TruthGuardians (talk) 18:20, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

References

Release Date

Wasn't "Thriller" released on November 30, 1982? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:481:8600:5260:d193:a99e:6a70:d04 (talk) 16:18, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

No. There are a number of people who incorrectly believe 80s releases only came out on Tuesdays. But those folks are mistaken—as documented again and again in contemporaneous news articles and music industry magazine advertisements. alainsane (talk) 18:46, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Thriller 25

"With the arrival of Halloween that November, Thriller 25 spent an eleventh non-consecutive week atop the US catalog chart." Halloween occurs on October 31st. Porterc5 (talk) 13:50, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks. Popcornfud (talk) 14:10, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

See also (+ Victory Tour)

I didn't find anywhere in the article mention of the Jackson's Victory Tour. It should be added in the 'See also' section. 72.174.131.123 (talk) 02:20, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2024

The article is incorrect on one fact: “Thriller” only won 7 Grammy Awards, not 8. Michael won his 8th Grammy in 1984 for Best Children’s Recording for the “ET Storybook” album, which obviously is not connected to “Thriller”. Uncaray (talk) 05:22, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done:

By my count, it won:

• Record of the Year
• Album of the Year
• Best Pop Vocal Performance, Male
• Best Engineered Recording, non-classical
• Producer of the Year (non-classical)
• Best R & B Performance, Male
• Best Rhythm & Blues Song
• Best Rock Vocal Performance, Male

The production award didn't go to Jackson, (it went to Bruce Swedien) but it DID go to the album.

PianoDan (talk) 16:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Sales

Thriller was claimed to have sold around 70 million copies by the time of Michael Jackson's death in 2009, since then it's sold over 5 million in the United States alone (29x plat to 34x plat) and has not been re-certified for any of it's international sales. By 1986 it sold 18 million outside the US and crossed 27 million by 1991 [1], that means it moved nearly 10 million units internationally between Bad and Dangerous alone, Jackson died 18 years following the release of Dangerous when it had sold 27 million outside the US. Therefore it's completely realistic to suggest it would have had 40 million in international sales at the time. However even if we assume it only sold 10 million more internationally in that 18 year timeframe, Thriller would still be around 75 million copies sold (34x plat + 37m + 3m w/Thriller 25) when including the re-release.

Basically Thriller should be listed at sales of "Over 70 million" with a note that says the estimates range up to 100 million. Never17 (talk) 19:58, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Thriller has sold virtually nothing in pure sales since this article's sales were updated to 70 million. The growing performance has been due solely to streaming. The best-selling albums of the year recently have 1 or 2 million physical+digital copies worldwide and I don't remember Thriller reaching those numbers. The 70 million is already inflated and includes streaming until the date this information was posted here, as was discussed on this page in 2021.--Markus WikiEditor (talk) 06:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Thriller hasn't been certified in most regions beyond it's initial promotional period, it had already sold 20 million outside the United States before Bad came out and has still only been certified for 17 million in international sales. Never17 (talk) 07:25, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Album sale amount is wrong

Thriller has sold more than 120 million copies worldwide Eoinburkewiki (talk) 00:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Source? DonIago (talk) 03:46, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Discussion can be had about raising Thriller back to 100 Million when it's current certified sales total exceeds or reaches the 70 million figure. We have White Christmas at 50 million claimed, so under those circumstances it would be fair. Never17 (talk) 22:06, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Baby Be Mine (Michael Jackson song) into Thriller (album)

Not enough independent coverage to warrant a standalone article. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 22:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars: I've gone ahead and redirected it to the article. There is nothing reliably or independently sourced on the page so there's nothing to merge. If someone challenges my WP:BOLD redirect, I will take it to AFD instead to avoid edit warring. JeffSpaceman (talk) 00:22, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

If only more Wikipedia editors shared your good sense for eliminating clutter. We allow far too much crap around this place on the assumption that someone else will turn it into proper encylopedic content later. Popcornfud (talk) 00:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)