Talk:The Mask (comics)

The Mask Returns

Why isn't The Mask Returns even mentioned on this page? It's one of the Mask series that was popular enough to get collected into a TPB.

Superhero

The Mask wasn't a superhero comic, that was just the cartoon show. Why's Big Head in the Superhero category? User:Ash Loomis

• Even if it's not so brutally would be like in the comics, The mask is NOT a super hero. Like the Hulk saves them civilians or fighting against criminals, if it fits in Kramm. The most time (as far as I know any) revange he throws or ne 'fleet party.

• As the creeper he is a player of pranks police often (sometimes bad) plays pranks. Such figures are packed Kindgerecht recently (not for much longer, and Lobo, a scout, we bet?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.164.59.208 (talk) 18:27, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Photo request

Preferably a photo of the comic, and possibly a screenshot of the animated series.

I'm going to be working on this page. I think it needs to be organized more properly. Also this page puts too much mention on the movies when it's supposed to be about the comic. The movies have their own pages. Next project for me on this page is to break down the comic plot summaries into heading off each comic mini-series.Danleary25 01:51, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm finished with what I set out to do on this page. Hope it works. Some of the late series(ie Toys in the Attic, World Tour, etc.) don't have very good plot descriptions because I myself never did read them. Maybe others who have can add better descriptions.Danleary25 02:17, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Joker/Mask Canon?

I'm not sure who moved Joker/Mask from the canon ongoing series to specials and crossovers. Their addition of The canon of this book is debatable. It may very well be its own canon, as elements from the Batman comics, Batman: The Animated Series", the original Mask titles and the animated Mask series are meshed together. doesn't seem accurate to me from just those words.

What elements from BTAS were there? If this person means Harley Quinn she had been added to the mainstream DC Universe a couple years before. And Kellaway finally finds the Mask as he had been hunting through the series proper since The Mask Returns. Plus Ipkiss is dead, as he had been for years. Stylistically Joker/Mask takes a cartoon-LIKE look reminiscent of BTAS and MTAS but all story elements remain in line with proper canon Mask comics. There are continuity flaws to be sure, as in all comics which switch writers over the course of years. And yes, Ipkiss is seen buried in the yellow suit, but this was just a nod to the Hollywood Mask and not a continuity flaw... in fact we don't know what Big Head Ipkiss was buried in.Danleary25 02:30, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

it remains open whether Ipkiss was killed because he was a serial killer or simply died. The Joker mask I would not take as a benchmark - he was already bad. Pity that the batman mask is not up ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.164.59.208 (talk) 18:30, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

We see Kathy shoot him after putting on the mask in Mayhem #4, it's very clear how Ipkiss died. Ash Loomis (talk) 03:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Nothing is open about whether or not Ipkiss was killed. Just as Ash Loomis says he died in the very earliest Mask stories.68.81.164.178 (talk) 02:41, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

The animated series - a failure?

The show's inability to take anything seriously likely led to its failure, especially in the era where Batman: The Animated Series was taking cartoons seriously.

I can't really see why this show should be seen as a failure. I mean, it ran for 3 seasons and 2 years - I think that's pretty good for a cartoon series. --Mégara (Мегъра) - D. Mavrov 18:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Somehow, it seems a bad sign of our society when a cartoon fails, because it lacks seriosity. =S 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 10:20, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Serial Killer?

Way dos it say hes a Serial Killer? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samurai Cerberus (talk • contribs) 18:36, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Because he's a serial killer in the comic books. The movie and the cartoons took that aspect out. But if you go back and read the comics, you'll see what I mean. Ash Loomis (talk) 04:27, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

So hes a bad guy? Smurai Cerberus 00:58, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

It depends on who's wearing the Mask. When the comic book Stanley Ipkiss wears it, he kills anyone who ever even looked at him wrong , as well as countless innocent bystanders and police officers. When Kellaway gets the Mask, he's more of a vigilante who only kills criminals (but killing criminals is still killing.) After the movie came out, Mask comics were done where the wearer didn't kill anyone, and when he did kill people it wasn't as gory. But there were still Mask comics done about serial killers after the movie came out. Originally the film was meant to be a replacement for the "Nightmare of Elmstreet" series, but they turned it into a comedy when Carrey signed on. The original script was alot darker, (although it still wasn't as dark the comic.) Ash Loomis (talk) 01:48, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Nomination of Dorian Tyrell and Niko for deletion

I have nominated the above two for deletion because I think they are not significant enough to have their own articles. See the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dorian Tyrell (3nd nomination) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Niko (The Mask). Input is appreciated. Cheers, theFace 17:38, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Masque

Why is there barely an info on the Masque incarnation? I think for the sake of emencement for the article, we should include a brief history of who and what that character was. Sarujo (talk) 16:53, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Ray Tuttle?

im not a regular here but i did read the comics unlike the person who wrote the part about Ray Tuttle, look it up and fix it, you got the wrong info— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a05:4f44:b1a:8700:4942:b380:962:b42 (talk • contribs) 01:23, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 5 February 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: pages moved. There is no consensus primary topic; default is disambiguation. Over the course of disambiguating I changed some links to the film, and others to the franchise. Many links are intended for an article about the character; these still redirect to the comics article. – wbm1058 (talk) 12:20, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

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• The Mask → The Mask (comics)
• The Mask (disambiguation) → The Mask

– Pageviews show that The Mask (1994 film) gets on average at least three times as many pageviews of the comic series. That means the comics, despite inspiring the film and other media, are not the primary topic. In fact, the comics' pageviews are probably inflated because of readers searching for the film and ending up on the wrong page. I would not be opposed to making the film primary, but moving the disambiguation page to the base title is probably the safest approach for now. (I'm not sure if The Mask (comics) could be confused with Mask (DC Comics), but the latter seems a relatively obscure topic and a hatnote would suffice to deal with this, if necessary at all.) Lennart97 (talk) 20:54, 5 February 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. ---CX Zoom(^he/_him) (^{let's talk}|_contribs) 06:08, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Post-relisting comment: There is consensus for moving The Mask to The Mask (comics). I'll move that page and do post-move cleanup, while discussion over The Mask (franchise) vs. The Mask (disambiguation) continues. I view the franchise article as a form of WP:Broad-concept article, though media franchises is not listed as one of the common examples. That article currently populates Category:Comedy film franchises though, rather than the broader Category:Mass media franchises which would include both the film and comics franchises. There is precedent for a franchise to be primary over its namesake film, e.g. Despicable Me and Spy Kids, but more commonly the leading film of the franchise is primary. – wbm1058 (talk) 13:01, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Post-comment comment. Template:The Mask still makes the comics primary. I'll leave it for others to boldly adjust as they feel appropriate. Perhaps the "franchise" should be expanded to include the comics? wbm1058 (talk) 13:16, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

• Support. If there were a primary topic here, it would be the movie. Rreagan007 (talk) 01:26, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
• Support while the 1994 film is based on the comics it does seem like not all of the others are so no PT sees reasonable for this rather generic term[[1]]. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:54, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
• Support 1st, Oppose 2nd I would rather see The Mask (franchise) moved to The Mask. While the film is more popular than the comic, the overarching franchise is the clear primary topic here, since it encompasses them both. The franchise article's pretty barebones at the moment but it could be expanded into something useful. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:34, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
  • I disagree with the notion that because the franchise encompasses both the comics and the film, that makes it a clear primary topic. It gets far fewer pageviews than either the film or the comics, so most readers clearly aren't looking for it. Lennart97 (talk) 16:48, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

    That's more of a consequence of the fact that it's a skeleton right now. It's pretty likely that if it was moved to primary and expanded it would get comparable views. In any event, a disambiguation would be there anyway, this just functions as a more pertinent one. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:02, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

• Support 1st, oppose 2nd, move The Mask (franchise) to primary - This conforms to WP:NCFILM#Media franchise. The franchise article then becomes a WP:CONCEPTDAB. It would be highly unusual to move a derivative or adaptation (the 1994 film) to primary over its origin (comics), no matter how many page views. Also, such a primary topic swap would be disruptive to both incoming and internal links. -- Netoholic @ 10:44, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
• Support 1st, oppose 2nd, move The Mask (franchise) to primary per Netoholic and Zxcvbnm. It's pretty clear based on the pageviews that readers largely want something related to, well, The Mask, and not the other fairly minor topics we have articles on. As a result, dumping them on the DAB page would be a fairly unwanted roadblock. (I would even prefer leaving the comics at the main page over the DAB, since at least it's the same subject matter and mentions the adaptations.) Nohomersryan (talk) 22:53, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
• Support 1st, oppose 2nd, move The Mask (franchise) to primary. I'm in agreement with ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ. If the comics are to be moved to _(Comics) then granting _(Franchise) the main page makes the most sense, and doubles as a disambiguation page for the works within the franchise. Antimoany (talk) 22:35, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
• Support as proposed. The franchise article gets 1/10th the pageviews of The Mask (1994 film). There's no way the franchise article satisfies the "much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined to be the topic sought" criterion of WP:PTOPIC, and it's certainly not primary wrt long-term significance, considering the huge number of entries at The Mask (disambiguation). Making it a dab will be the most helpful solution to readers. Colin M (talk) 20:07, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
• Support as proposed, and strong oppose move of The Mask (franchise). The franchise isn't primary topic, so moving that article won't help readers at all. It's either the 1994 film or the comic series that's primary. So the disambiguation page is best. Eventually I might even support a straight move of the 1994 film to primary topic, but for now there isn't one.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:46, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 05:23, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
• Comment - @Wbm1058: I don't agree with your assessment that the franchise is a broad-concept article. Please think of the readers, very few of whom will be interested in reading an article about the franchise, rather than trying to make this fit into some Wikipedia convention. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 09:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.