Talk:Stepan Bandera monument in Lviv

Excessive content on Bandera/not enough on statue

We have a Wikipedia article on Stepan Bandera, so this article only needs to give only the briefest of info about him. For instance, I just removed a couple of sentences about a medal he was awarded in 2010, as this is unconnected to the monument. (I added it to See also.) Any content here not related to the statue is at risk of being WP:SYNTH. I notice we have a total of three footnotes here (out of 16) that actually mention the statue, raising questions about the notability of this topic. (None of them are in English, one is a dead link to a local paper, and I'm not sure if any are reliable.) This imbalance needs addressing. BobFromBrockley (talk) 14:20, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

That bit about the award goes much better as a link in the 'See also' section. On an unrelated note, thanks for reorganizing parts of the super-bloated lede into a background section, and for the paragraph on Bandera's life. It's good to have a 'cliff-notes' version of the main article about a person on monument articles, just so that people have some idea what the monument is commemorating. Good stuff. Joe (talk) 02:03, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh, also, a few days ago I was reading miscellaneous news about this, and there was some reference to this particular monument being the subject of Russian war propaganda - I should've made a note of it or added it straight to the article, but I didn't, and now I'm afraid I've lost track of it. If I can find that again, I'll put it in. If someone else independently comes across an article about that, please do consider adding it yourself. Cheers. Joe (talk) 02:10, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

That sort of thing would definitely be good to include imho BobFromBrockley (talk) 07:50, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

I concur, this is just one station in the entire monument. The article is mistitled Jgmac1106 (talk) 17:40, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Change Page Name

I propose a page name to Monument to Ukrainian statehood. The Stepan Bandera statue is just one stop on the timeline Jgmac1106 (talk) 17:41, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

I think the official name is "Stele of Ukrainian Statehood" but I will pull some secondary sources to verify. Jgmac1106 (talk) 17:50, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikidata does have it as Пам'ятник Степанові Бандері maybe page is correct. Will wait for other editors to chime in Jgmac1106 (talk) 18:34, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

official name is Stepan Bandera monument so the redirects are fine

And behind the statue it's the Stele of Ukrainian Statehood,

-the age of princedom (княжа доба)

-cossack state (козаччина)

-Ukrainian People's Republic (УНР, Українська Народна Республіка)

-Ukraine (current day Ukrainian state) Jgmac1106 (talk) 11:01, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Hard to see why the statue is more notable than the stele. Should the title have both in it and article cover both? BobFromBrockley (talk) 13:44, 22 August 2023 (UTC)