Talk:Socialism and Liberty Party

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Requested move 5 July 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 11:02, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

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Socialism and Freedom Party → Socialism and Liberty Party – "Freedom" and "Liberty" are synonymous . However, "Liberty" is more like the Portuguese word "Liberdade" and is more understandable for readers of English.) Gerúndio (talk) 12:24, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

• Support, seems to be the nearest English translation. Randy Kryn 14:02, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
• Support Not because of the correct translation, but because it's the English WP:COMMONNAME (6,240 hits for the current name, 183,000 hits for the proposed name). Number 57 19:31, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
• Support It is also the name used by The Guardian, BBC, Reuters, etc. and the European Parliament.--Totie (talk) 19:22, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

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References

Wow, the Portuguese version of this article currently has 291 footnotes. In English we're lagging rather far behind at 2... Q·L·1968 ☿ 21:07, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry

It has come to my attention that various edits that have been made on this page, as well as various sources that have been added to among other things the infobox may have all been added by various sockpuppets of User:SacredGeometry333, this includes User:BDMKK. I now suggest editors examine the article for non-neutral content and i hope portuguese-speaking editors may examine various portuguese-language sources in this article that i personally cannot read. User:SacredGeometry333 has been described as right-wing militant, possibly right-wing populist, any content or sources that may mirror such a view or may come from a more right-wing stance might be his additions. Please also take a look at the article's history in order to identify any possible non-banned sockpuppets, some IP's and users have been reported in regards to this case as recently as the last few hours! Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 00:35, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Controversies

I'm from Brazil and there is a lot of news and evidence of many controversies and scandals related to PSOL and it's members. It would be really easy to compile a list and make a small complement for a section or create a whole new one in the article.

I do have a problem with doing this though, because I think my effort might go in vain, since the administrator of this article is a self declared far-left marxist. Don't take this as an attack in any way, not here to judge, but I've noticed that the article as it is right now has biased and misleading information that was accepted without any citations. E.g:

"and it is recognized as different from the bigger PSDB and PT parties and the cronyist and catch-all parties without an ideology." Partially true, but extremely misleading, since they take the ideology farther than others, but are also known as a "satellite-party" from PT.

"It is the only party present in the Congress which did not receive money from large corporations and the only party that called for the removal of the former President of the Chamber of Deputies Eduardo Cunha, currently in jail." This is not true, many other parties in the Congress that did not receive any money from large corporations and they were also in favor of removing former Congress president Eduardo Cunha.

"Governors Tarcísio Motta (RJ) with 8.92% (14.62% in city of Rio Janeiro) and Robério Paulino (RN) with 8.74% (22.45% in capital Natal) got excellent results. Senate candidate Heloísa Helena (AL) got 31.86%, but she lost the election to former Brazilian president Fernando Collor de Mello, who was impeached." Fernando Collor de Mello was never impeached, as he abdicated before the impeachment process ended, and retained his political rights.

"Although having a small presence in parliament, PSOL is the 5th most popular party in Brazil,[18]" Misleading and focus tested. Besides the fact that the citation link is broken, PSOL is not that well known. As mentioned by the article itself, it's a popular party among the progressive elite from Rio de Janeiro (São Paulo too), where the research was carried on. Reminder that the information this citation is based on is provided by PSOL itself.

Those were my criticisms, and I can tell that this was written by multiple people with different level of bias, this part of the Article for example as well written and reflects reality really well:

"Despite being a left-wing party, PSOL is not commonly associated with a labor or low-income electorate. Instead, PSOL is more associated with the upper-middle class electorate with strong secular or socially progressive beliefs in the brazilians metropolitan zones, especially the cultural and intellectual elite of Rio de Janeiro. PSOL is a party often associated with academics of social sciences in public universities, teachers, artistic class, social movements, people who support taboo affairs in the brazilian society like legalization of abortion, legalization of marijuana, human rights activism and public sector labor unions."

Things that include controversies would be: Luniana Genro being accused of Nepotism and being prohibited from running in the elections: https://oglobo.globo.com/brasil/tre-rs-barra-candidatura-de-luciana-genro-em-porto-alegre-5802216

Guilherme Boulos was arrested multiple times and has invaded many private properties with his social movements: https://exame.abril.com.br/brasil/guilherme-boulos-lider-do-mtst-e-preso-em-sao-paulo/

Marcelo Freixo is being targeted by militias, the same who killed Marielle Franco: https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/cotidiano/2018/12/policia-intercepta-plano-para-matar-deputado-marcelo-freixo-psol-no-rio.shtml

Jean Wyllys, the most controversial figure of them all, who has the classic inflamatory victim discourse resigned: https://g1.globo.com/politica/noticia/2019/01/29/renuncia-de-jean-wyllys-ao-terceiro-mandato-e-oficializada-na-camara.ghtml

Adélio Bispo de Oliveira was an ex-PSOL member who stabbed the candidate and now president Jair Messias Bolsonaro: https://www.jornaldacidadeonline.com.br/noticias/13205/o-maior-atentado-a-democracia-brasileira-veio-de-adelio-bispo

The list goes on... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Askaniz (talk • contribs) 19:14, 8 February 2019 (UTC)