Talk:Secret Invasion (miniseries)
Latest comment: 1 year ago by ThylekShran in topic Cast breakdown
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Cast breakdown
edit | This section is pinned and will not be automatically archived until 19:18, 25 December 2023 (UTC). |
Breakdown of each episode's main billing, plus cast list. Actors in bold indicate the first appearance of the character, with the episodes they appear in after.
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- Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:24, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- Can someone please grab the full cast list for the last two episodes, so we can double check we aren't missing any recurring characters? --CoolDudeAl (talk) 01:57, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- I was wondering the same. I think maybe User:Favre1fan93 got too busy with other stuff... or perhaps maybe he got too bored with the series like many others did. I'm sure he'll get to it eventually. :) ThylekShran (talk) 02:16, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- The credits are readily available on Disney+, so anyone can make the list additions/adjustments. Either of you are welcome to do it if you've curious about them. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:27, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- I'll even help a bit and point out that episode 6's credits start at 33:53 and are covered on its article already if you still feel the need to check the credits. -- ZooBlazertalk 02:33, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- The credits are readily available on Disney+, so anyone can make the list additions/adjustments. Either of you are welcome to do it if you've curious about them. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:27, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- I just noticed your response, User:Favre1fan93; sorry for the delay in replying. I canceled Disney+ last month and was was going to rely on your cast breakdowns to keep my credited actor list up to date, so I'm a little disappointed you won't continue them but I also completely understand. Don't know about you, but I've grown fatigued with the MCU and am taking a break from watching but was still hoping to keep updating my list. I don't think the "be bold" guideline applies to other peoples' talk-page comments, but regardless I'm not going to keep paying for Disney+ just for a show's credits lol! Thanks for all of the breakdowns you have done though, I've found them very helpful and you've done a great job with them. Cheers! --ThylekShran (talk) 23:37, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
- I was wondering the same. I think maybe User:Favre1fan93 got too busy with other stuff... or perhaps maybe he got too bored with the series like many others did. I'm sure he'll get to it eventually. :) ThylekShran (talk) 02:16, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
Special Guest Stars
editJust want to toss out the discussion for adding special guest stars, Cobie Smulders and Martin Freeman, to the bulleted / info box cast list.
For the sake of consistency, Brandon Stanley is included in the main cast on here for She-Hulk despite not being in the credits sequence. He received a “Starring” directly at beginning of the crawl, which is where Smulders and Freeman are. Marvel has demonstrated a precedent multiple times that they consider Special Guest Stars worthy of inclusion with the main cast members, as Loki, Hawkeye, Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel, and She-Hulk have all featured it in the sequence.
So we have examples of Special Guest Stars being included and we have examples of names directly at the beginning of the crawl being included. Both are relevant enough names to justify the inclusion, and they both have multiple cited sources as well.
This rule could also be applied to Cailey Fleming in Loki. NickH (talk) 07:19, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- The main cast list is for starring actors. Consensus is to determine this by the main titles just as we do for films, though there is obviously also that exception where Stanley is listed as starring and isn't in the main titles. Smulders and Freeman are neither in the main titles nor listed as starring so they shouldn't be going in the starring list. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:29, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- Correct. Given Stanley explicitly received "Starring" credit outside of the main on end, he was included. If Smulders and Freeman also had that they would have been bulleted, but they were not. We need to follow the credits as given to us, and "Special Guest Star" is not the same as a "main/starring" actor. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:21, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Favre1fan93 and Adamstom.97: What about Richard E. Grant in Loki? He was Special Guest Star, if I remember correctly. Mike210381 (talk) 21:08, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- But he appeared in the main-on-end credits. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:51, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
- I'm a little torn personally on how to go about this, given the previous to-do with someone wanting Debra Jo Rupp and Fred Melamed stripped from the infobox of WandaVision. In this instance we're dealing with actors Smulders, Freeman, and now Fagbenle who previously appeared in the films in the core billing block being credited in a separate aside from the ultimate end credits full cast list. I do wonder if perhaps exception is worth considering, however I'm not intensely passionate about it so if it's a firm no fair enough. Rusted AutoParts 07:37, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- I'd be open to having that discussion, either here or on the task force's talk page WT:MCU. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:39, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
- I'm a little torn personally on how to go about this, given the previous to-do with someone wanting Debra Jo Rupp and Fred Melamed stripped from the infobox of WandaVision. In this instance we're dealing with actors Smulders, Freeman, and now Fagbenle who previously appeared in the films in the core billing block being credited in a separate aside from the ultimate end credits full cast list. I do wonder if perhaps exception is worth considering, however I'm not intensely passionate about it so if it's a firm no fair enough. Rusted AutoParts 07:37, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- But he appeared in the main-on-end credits. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:51, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Favre1fan93 and Adamstom.97: What about Richard E. Grant in Loki? He was Special Guest Star, if I remember correctly. Mike210381 (talk) 21:08, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- Correct. Given Stanley explicitly received "Starring" credit outside of the main on end, he was included. If Smulders and Freeman also had that they would have been bulleted, but they were not. We need to follow the credits as given to us, and "Special Guest Star" is not the same as a "main/starring" actor. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:21, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- I would say, in an aside, I do get the means to keep consistency among all the MCU cast sections, but having also dealt in other tv series wiki pages it sort of itches my brain not seeing the standard MAIN/RECURRING/GUEST format from there. Rusted AutoParts 07:31, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- I'm there with you. But it's a bit harder when we don't have "guest starring" and "co-starring" credits to go off of. That's why we make the cast breakdown sections on each, so we can see who, if any, recurs in the series to separate them out and note them in the prose first, and then the other notable guest stars. This "prestige"/"films on TV" format really throws normal conventions for the loop and we try to make best with what we can. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:39, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
Going to follow up on the above and just get a rundown to square away this topic definitively now that the show has ended: Should Cobie Smulders, Martin Freeman and O-T Fagbenle be included in the infobox/among the main cast? Yay or Nay Rusted AutoParts 19:17, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
- I don't think we need a section named "tally" to discuss this (it shouldn't be named that regardless). I think we can just continue having our discussion and state comments that way for or against. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:57, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
- I do think we should talk about how we should handle the special beginning of the black credits call outs, since they have happened in several MCU shows now. I personally vote for them being highlighted like the bulleted cast, because by creating a special end card for them at the beginning of the credits, they are indicating that they are more important than the cast who just appear in the full cast list. I'm assuming they have just decided on some shows they don't have enough room to fit everyone in a way they would like on the "pretty credits", so have been relegating some to this new call out section. CoolDudeAl (talk) 02:01, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- The reason we only treat the names in the main-on-end credits as starring (unless someone else is specifically mentioned to be starring later in the credits) is because that is what we do for films as well. For example, the starring list at Black Panther: Wakanda Forever is based on the names in that film's main-on-end credits and then every other noteworthy cast member, including Richard Schiff who has a similar special end card to the ones we are discussing, is in the paragraphs below the list. If we were just following TV rules then Smulders and Freeman would absolutely be in the guest cast section, not the starring section, per MOS:TVCAST. So following both film and TV logic they do not make it onto the starring list. - adamstom97 (talk) 05:08, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- I do think we should talk about how we should handle the special beginning of the black credits call outs, since they have happened in several MCU shows now. I personally vote for them being highlighted like the bulleted cast, because by creating a special end card for them at the beginning of the credits, they are indicating that they are more important than the cast who just appear in the full cast list. I'm assuming they have just decided on some shows they don't have enough room to fit everyone in a way they would like on the "pretty credits", so have been relegating some to this new call out section. CoolDudeAl (talk) 02:01, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
AI screenshot on Commons
editFile:Secret Invasion intro screenshot AI.jpg was uploaded on Commons and has been nominated for deletion there. You may recall our previous discussion at /Archive 1#Opening Credits are public domain?. The Commons deletion request can be found at c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Secret Invasion intro screenshot AI.jpg. Thanks. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:53, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- Ultimately, if Method Studios uploads the full opening somewhere, we can use {{external links}} and feature the opening that way. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:14, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
- The two AI screenshots have been deleted. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 13:52, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
Discrepancy between intro and reception section
editI noticed that in the intro, it states the show recieven “mixed to negative reviews”, but the reception says that it received positive reviews. Can anyone explain this? Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 19:11, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Where in the Reception section does it say that? —El Millo (talk) 20:35, 21 August 2023 (UTC)