Talk:Scottish nationalism

Civic nationalism

There have been a number of edits recently, suggesting there is some interest in the concepts of civic nationalism and identity in Scotland. Editors might find It useful to discuss issues on the talk page, rather than through the edit summaries. Drchriswilliams (talk) 16:50, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Thoroughly interested in helping expand this page -- I think we could take some inspiration from Irish Nationalism. Also, how do we/ must we create distinctions between Scottish nationalism and the independence movement? I see there have been some edits removing SNP references before, but the history of the independence movement is surely entwined with the nationalist one?? WeeMungo (talk) 02:34, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Scottish Nationalism

Scottish Nationalism is an ideology that applies to all Scottish peoples, people in Scotland regardless of political affiliation, or supported political party.

Individual political parties, unions do not decide or dictate what an ideology may be, or who it applies to.

The SNP is an individual political party, and cannot decide what Scottish Nationalism is and how it applies to the nation, or all Nationals.

Civic Nationalism is the preferred form of Nationalism for the SNP & the SNP supporters.

It is very clear that a large lack of education & political ignorance is present.

Scottish Nationalism applies to all Nationalists (those who support the state ideology).

Examples:

Conservative Nationalism - Scottish Conservative Nationalists may be present within the Conservative party. National Conservatism.

Social Nationalism - Scottish Socialist Nationalists may be present in the Labour Party. Left-wing Nationalism

Left-wing Nationalism - Scottish supporters may not be affiliated with any political party.

Liberal Nationalism - Scottish Liberal Nationalists may be present in the Liberal Democrats. Civic Nationalism.

A Nationalist is anyone who supports the idea of state, statehood, state identity and shared characteristics such as Scottish Culture. Nationalism.

2A01:4C8:1421:4892:1:1:3E28:DEAE (talk) 13:09, 22 March 2021 (UTC)CD

Normalism

Describing a desire for your country to be a normal European social democracy as Nationalism really a bit of a non sequitor. Nogger (talk) 21:28, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Why and, more importantly, do you have a reliable source for the contention that it is a non sequitur? DeCausa (talk) 22:12, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Nation State

The Kingdom of Scotland emerged as an independent sovereign state in the 9th century and continued to exist until 1707.

A Nation State is a state of which most of the citizens, or subjects are united by factors which define a nation, such as language, culture, or common descent.

Any formal, or physical action(s) to become a sovereign nation state classify as Nationalistic Action, or just Nationalism. The Declaration of Arbroath 1320 remains one of the earliest & officially accepted formal documents in Scotland which led to Scotland formally being recognised as a sovereign nation state.

Although there are older documents & records to be acknowledged, the declaration itself is referred to as the foundation of Scottish Nationalism as the document itself in the only reason Scotland was recognised as a nation state.

Ref: https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/Declaration for further reading. Wiki; Declaration of Arbroath 163.116.165.113 (talk) 16:09, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

And your point would be ...? Wikipedia is not a forum for publishing your personal arguments, and this talk page exists not as a blog-like venue but solely for discussion of how to improve the article text it is attached to.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  11:27, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Additional sources

Will add stuff as I run across it:

• Miller, Mitch (2010). Tartan Pimps: Gordon Brown, Margaret Thatcher, and the New Scotland. Glendaruel, Scotland: Argyll Publishing. Based on a series of essays originally published in The Drouth.

 — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  11:26, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Modern support for Gaelic language

This section as follows:

Since devolution and the passing of the Gaelic Language (Scotland) Act 2005, Scottish nationalists have spearheaded an effort to bring Scottish Gaelic back from the brink of extinction through the spread of immersion schools funded by the Scottish Parliament.

is misleading. The Gaelic Language Act was introduced by a Labour MSP to a Labour-Lib Dem coalition government, and passed with unanimous cross-party support. Support for Gaelic in modern Scottish politics is not a "nationalist" issue. SaoiDunNeachdain (talk) 12:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)