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Savagnin rose is Klevener de Heiligenstein. That is the spelling on the bottle label. It should not be confused with Klevner, which AFAIK is just pinot blanc.
Heiligenstein is the name of the village. 62.72.108.161 14:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
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editNow that I think I've worked out how all the genetics work, we could do with some references to firm it up! The other 'problem' is that potentially this article actually involves three different grapes - Traminer, Savagnin Blanc and Savagnin Rose. I'm happy to wait for a bit more evidence before splitting it, but there's a case for arguing that if we are to regard it as a 'parent' grape with two mutants, then it should probably be under Traminer if anything. I'd be interested in any more DNA/biochemical evidence on the relationship between Traminer and Savignan Blanc, it seems that Scienza et al know more than the mighty Galet!
If the two are distinct clones, it would then be interesting to see any evidence that links the red mutant more closely to Traminer or Savignan Blanc.
Obviously could do with some photos of the grapes/vines as well. FlagSteward 02:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
- I agree. I noticed - on the Gewürztraminer page - the following notation: "More recently it has been suggested that Savagnin Blanc acquired slight differences [vs. Tramminer] in its leaf shape and geraniol content[2] as it travelled to the other end of the Alps." As such, maybe Traminer needs to be its own page (if it is a parent [different] grape), with off-shoot pages noting it (i.e., Savagnin blanc and other offspring of Traminer)? Tesseract501 2 March 2009 (UTC)
- You suddenly reminded me of a "project" I started quite some time ago, but never quite finished; a page on Traminer describing it as a family of grape varieties. It's at User:Tomas e/Traminer, a subpage to my user page. I looks fairly finished, but as I remember it I was going to look for additional sources and never got around to it. It is perhaps time that I do get around to it, now when the subject came up. Tomas e (talk) 15:27, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
- I agree. I noticed - on the Gewürztraminer page - the following notation: "More recently it has been suggested that Savagnin Blanc acquired slight differences [vs. Tramminer] in its leaf shape and geraniol content[2] as it travelled to the other end of the Alps." As such, maybe Traminer needs to be its own page (if it is a parent [different] grape), with off-shoot pages noting it (i.e., Savagnin blanc and other offspring of Traminer)? Tesseract501 2 March 2009 (UTC)