Talk:Rift (video game)

Opening comment

Name and website have changed.

Now Rift: Planes of Telara

www.riftgame.com

• I've changed it to Rift: Planes of Telara. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.160.123.142 (talk) 06:08, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 14:48, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

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Heroes of Telara → Rift: Planes of Telara — The name has changed. 24.143.119.153 (talk) 18:20, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

• Support this change. I'm not autoconfirmed. I've changed the template to a subst template, as it says on the template LOL. mrout ^t 06:15, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Just want to clarify — I can't move the article, but I changed the talk-page template, cos it was wrong. LOL. mrout ^t 06:23, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

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What game engine is this based on?

This is vital information. --24.89.198.6 (talk) 14:11, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Scheduled for deletion less than 24h before Public Beta?

Is it just me, or does this seem a bit silly?

Even if you ignore the fact this is one of the 2 most anticipated MMO's set for release in 2011 (and i can't help noticing that the article for the main rival game with equally little information has not been marked for deletion), with the public beta due to start on December 3rd at which point i am fairly sure a lot of informaton will become available, scheduling this article for deletion on the 2nd, which is less than 24h beforehand seems rather an odd decision... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slackacoz (talk • contribs) 06:12, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Objecting to proposed deletion

Dear Mike Rosoft,

As your name appears to have nominated this entry for deletion, this is an objection to your nomination.

Under the current rules and guidelines for proposing deletion: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_policies_and_guidelines_to_cite_in_deletion_debates http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#Reasons_for_deletion

This entry does not fall into any of those classifications. So, based on your own subjective understanding of the rules, you suggest for this page's deletion. It's true that all of the information currently known and reported on is based on the developers' word. There is a NDA currently binding any third-parties form reporting anything from the developmental build of the product.

There is plenty of information that will become available in 2011. This entry was also correctly tagged as a stub, with the obvious intention that when information was released, this entry would be updated to the standards of a non-stub entry.

If you would like sources other then from the “creators and forum posts”, here are a few outsides references.

Kotaku http://kotaku.com/5693630/get-in-line-for-the-rift-closed-beta

MTV http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2010/11/19/why-the-rift-planes-of-telara-gm-might-stare-at-your-picnic-developer-pop-quiz-13/

Additionally, these journalists personally attended a press event at the developer's office.

The Journalists were: Peter Nelson from Warcry.com Editor-in-Chief Darryl Gangloff from ZAM Carolyn Koh from MMORPG.Com Troy Goodfellow - Freelance Benjamin J. de la Durantaye - TenTonHammer - Executive Editor

Would you be willing to guess they witnessed the product themselves, yet are bound by a similar NDA. Feel free to Google search the names to find their articles concerning this “unreleased game”. In conclusion, this entry does not break any policy or guideline, is fully capable of being updated to Wikipedia's established standards when possible, and can clearly be referenced from sources other then its creators.

Nip03 (talk) 07:10, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Lifting of NDA and objection to deletion

As the NDA surrounding Rift has now been lifted by Trion Worlds and the beta testing under way (closed beta test 3 completed and the fourth scheduled for 07/01/11) I should anticipate that this article will quickly begin to resemble one that more fully meets all the standards for inclusion. I for one, will be updating as soon as ime allows. I hope any notion of deletion is quickly dispelled. Shooty668 (talk) 03:18, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Original Research, Neutrality?

"While many games and books borrow from various sources to get their ideas, it is hard to deny that those who came up with the story for this game more than borrowed from the Old School pen and Paper RPG Rifts, by Palladium Publishing. Rifts"

Original research? Citation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.36.68.52 (talk) 21:46, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Removed. John^DO|^{Speak your mind} 23:12, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Not necessarily original research. I think that exact statement was in legal filings, or something substantially similar. It was definitely not NPoV, and it needs proper attribution. I'll be working on the lawsuit (see below section) at some point in the future.Bahb the Illuminated (talk) 03:59, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Related to the Palladium pen&paper role-playing game?

Is this related to the Palladium RPG "Rifts (role-playing game)"? That is set on Earth, but its main plot point is that a bunch of holes have opened up in the fabric of things allowing invaders from other universes. With the similarity in plot and name, I want to say they're related -- but the trademarks of the RPG (character classes like Juicers, Bursters, Crazies, etc) seem to be missing. If there is a relation, I think it should be made clear; if not, that broaches a bunch of questions that this article probably ought to address -- like was this licensed, how many lawsuits did this trigger, etc? There could be a real story here that the article ought to include. Deltopia (talk) 04:55, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with the books and there has been no lawsuit, and why would there? Because it happened to use the same name? And it uses "Rifts"? The Rifts are not even the same (In this game, you can't travel through the Rifts to other worlds) and both games have entirely different settings (the pen and paper one is set in the future). If there was a lawsuit I'm pretty sure it would have been mentioned. I also don't see why the article ought to mention the details of this other game because then you can argue that anything else that's similar should be added and "addressed". 77.96.95.141 (talk) 12:48, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Actually, there was at least at one point very definitely a lawsuit and I'm a little puzzled that the page shows no mention of it. I actually came here hoping to find out what the outcome of the suit was, because there seem to be a bunch of articles about it from April to June, 2010, and then nothing. —Robotech_Master (talk) 08:01, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm going to hunt down sources and include the lawsuit in this article, as you are right- it did happen, and there was some sort of settlement according to one of the articles I read. I should save my browser history more often.Bahb the Illuminated (talk) 18:13, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Best I could find so far. There are primary sources as well- the court documents themselves, but I am at my PACER limit without having to pay....

https://www.livingdice.com/5347/palladium-books-v-trion-worlds-inc-case-nearly-resolved/

https://www.engadget.com/2010/05/11/palladium-books-sues-trion-worlds-over-rifts-title/

Bahb the Illuminated (talk) 03:50, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Server list does not seem appropriate wiki content

I don't think that the server lists are useful wiki information. In addition, the link to the external server status would be useful information to a player of this game, but I'd expect that on the game/publisher help site, not on a wiki entry.15.203.233.80 (talk) 20:49, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

It's time to protect this page

I have just deleted, yet AGAIN, information on subscription rates. This page is constantly under siege by people who are incapable of understanding Wikipedia's longstanding policies. This page needs to be controlled exclusively by people who have demonstrated willingness to cooperate with the rules. - Drlight11 (talk) 21:30, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

If it continues, a short period of protection should be fine. Once the game has been out for a couple weeks it should die down. Just my opinion though.Caidh (talk) 21:43, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Rift (video game) content updates

Stumbled upon newly created article Rift (video game) content updates, I'm not familiar with this game at all so I'm not in a position to gauge if this should even be included in this article, however it doesn't seem to warrant its own article. Should it be merged here or deleted? N^oformation ^Talk 07:37, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Author Response: I'm impressed with the incredible speed it took for someone to find my newly created article. I will be done editing shortly, and I have just added an entry to the talk page. In a few minutes I will also add a link to the main page. I would like to quickly explain why I decided to make a separate page instead of adding the content to this article:

1. Rift (video game) provides a thoughtful overview of the game by introducing readers to the world of Telara. Rift (video game) content updates, on the other hand, is firmly imbedded inside the game world (although I have tried my best to write using plain language for non-Rift players to understand). As a result, the two articles carry different "themes" or "flavors" if you will. Based on the design of the original article, I felt that the perspective of my added content would "clash" with the rest of the original entry.

2. Wikipedia's clever table of contents design allows for patches to be beautifully organized. In MMO's there are often two kinds of updates. A "minor update" typically carries a decimal such as 1.5, 2.3, etc. This content is downloaded automatically as long as the player continues to play the game. A "major update" is typically a whole number such as 2.0, 4.0, etc. The content in these updates are much larger, and the player is required to purchase additional software to access the new content. Multiple minor updates take place in between each major update. By placing the content updates are on their own page, they are intuitively organized to allow for easy access by readers.

3. As I explain in the discussion section of Rift (video game) content updates I hope that the page will serve as a historical resource over a long period of time. Because MMOs update often, and because I predict that Rift will be around for a long time, the content information may become very large and overwhelm the information in Rift (video game). I am simply skipping a step and creating a separate page before the lists of content updates become too unwieldy to handle. Tycron (talk) 08:01, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

I went ahead and added the information to the main Rift (video game entry, thank you for considering it worthy of inclusion. I still believe that content is worthy of its own page, as I argue above, but being my first Wikipedia article, I will defer to the more experienced members.Tycron (talk) 14:12, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Good job on your first article and welcome to Wikipedia! And I mean that, because let me tell you that I go through a hundred first time articles a day and most of them are terrible :). If in the future the main article gets too big, you can attempt to form a consensus to recreate this page, but it doesn't seem like it's conventional for MMOs to have articles on their content updates at this time. I'm going to move to delete the old page now, happy editing. N^oformation ^Talk 20:59, 13 June 2011 (UTC)