Talk:Reverend King

Requested move 17 March 2017

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The result of the move request was: Wrong forum discussions about changing the target of redirects belong at WP:RFD (unless you are trying to do the move in reverse, in which case this belongs at Talk:Chukwuemeka Ezeugo) Pppery 16:03, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

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Reverend King → Chukwuemeka Ezeugo – While I understand that a renowned reformist like Martin Luther King jnr will generally have greater prominence than most seemingly unpopular (or should I say unrepresented from a western perspective) articles, I still think it will be operationally in-order to retarget this redirect to the popular Nigerian pastor by the same name. I do not think MLK was overly famously known simply as "Reverend King", so I believe this title will serve greater purpose as the title of the convicted pastor.

"Reverend King" is the WP:COMMONNAME and WP:TITLE for this popular convicted Nigerian pastor. I have guaged the importance of the redirect to its present parent article to it being the primary title to the very popular Nigerian pastor, and I came to an obvious conclusion per Wikipedia globalization guidelines that it is more appropriate to use the title for the Nigerian pastor. The name is so important to the "clergyman" that members of the church are even compelled to use "King" as their surname. He is basically unknown by his birthname. Darreg (talk) 23:36, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

• Comment. If the request is to redirect Reverend King to Chukwuemeka Ezeugo, then this nomination properly belongs at WP:Redirects for discussion, but if the ultimate aim is to move Chukwuemeka Ezeugo → Reverend King, it may be more useful to open a discussion at Talk:Chukwuemeka Ezeugo so that the main title header, which was moved to Chukwuemeka Ezeugo two days ago, is at least capable of being returned to its original form, Reverend King Ezeugo, per WP:COMMONNAME. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 03:21, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Celestina007 created the article as Reverend King Ezeugo, probably because she discovered that Reverend King was already a redirect. When Oluwa2Chainz wrongly moved the article two days ago, I pinged him on the article talkpage, with reasons why I felt it was not appropriate, my hunch is that he now agrees with me, but since he isn't an admin, there was really nothing he could do to rectify the move. I have already been to redirect for discussion, BDD, closed the discussion that it was more applicable as a move request case. I'm surprised I'm being directed back there again. The ultimate goal isn't to move Chukwuemeka Ezeugo to Reverend King Ezeugo, but to move it to Reverend King. Darreg (talk) 08:12, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

• Wrong forum, speedy close please - however strongly oppose and change in redirect per books. If this is moved to WP:Redirects for discussion someone please copy those Google Books results and this oppose. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:08, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm not surprised at your vote, neither was I thrilled by the results from Google books. You certainly do not expect a convicted individual, notable predominantly only in Nigeria, to have the same Google news hit as a globally acclaimed civil right activist. My reason for this move request is the significance of those hits, not the number. "Reverend King" as the title of the Nigerian pastor article is of higher importance than its present usage in the MLK article. I understand that most Wikipedians are Americans, so wouldn't be surprising to see many oppose votes, but I felt I needed it to be on record that someone took a stand on what he perceived was the right thing to do. Darreg (talk) 08:36, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

• Comment - Just a comment from someone who lives in Atlanta, where MLK was born, lived and is buried. Naturally he comes up in the local media here quite a bit. I can testify that "Reverend King" is not a super common way to refer to him. One reason for this is his father was also a reverend, so saying "Reverend King" would be ambiguous. (FYI his father lived until 1984). There are also several other ordained ministers in his immediately family such as his brother. When a short version of his name is used in the media here, it is almost always "Dr. King". --Krelnik (talk) 12:46, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose move, suggest disambiguation instead. As Krelnik pointed out, there were two famous people named (called?) "Reverend Martin Luther King". Ezeugo is known as "Reverend King". This is precisely what a disambiguation page is for. — MShabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 13:21, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

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