Talk:Portrait of Toulouse Lautrec, in Villeneuve-sur-Yonne, with the Natansons
 | Portrait of Toulouse Lautrec, in Villeneuve-sur-Yonne, with the Natansons is currently an Art and architecture good article nominee. Nominated by Viriditas (talk) at 20:20, 3 October 2024 (UTC) Any editor who has not nominated or contributed significantly to this article may review it according to the good article criteria to decide whether or not to list it as a good article. To start the review process, click start review and save the page. (See here for the good article instructions.) Short description: Painting by Édouard Vuillard in the Musée Toulouse-Lautrec |
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Re: Euphemism
editLautrec was also fond Misia, and in addition to painting her, was also known for his affection towards her.
As you can imagine, I had to be careful here, because I wasn't sure how to phrase "Lautrec enjoyed tickling Misia's feet with his paintbrush". This is a continual problem whenever I write about Lautrec. Viriditas (talk) 11:20, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Looks like Misia's memoir goes into some detail about this behavior. Frèches-Thory (1994) includes the description of the behavior. Viriditas (talk) 21:00, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- FWIW, Misia was greatly fond of Lautrec (as friends) as well, so this behavior was allowed and seen as favorable by Misia. Just noting this for our modern readers. Viriditas (talk) 21:01, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Current location?
editVarious niche art sites indicate that this painting was in the possession of the Stedelijk Museum Amsterdam after 2003. It is unclear where its current location is today. Viriditas (talk) 21:51, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- However, the exif of the image indicates it is now at the Musée Toulouse-Lautrec. Why is the Stedelijk Museum listed as the holder of the painting in 2006?[1] Viriditas (talk) 21:55, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- There's something odd about all of this. Yes, one of the Commons editors confirmed the image was at the Musée Toulouse-Lautrec in 2021, but I cannot find a single thing in the literature after 2003, until 2006, when it is suddenly said to be at the Stedelijk Museum. It wasn't deaccessioned, so what's the story? Also, many of the more modern and current works on Vuillard seem to ignore it. I find that you can often understand a lot by what is not said than what is said, and there's something strange going on here. Obviously, there's a bit more in the biographical literature, particularly in terms of exhibitions, but almost none of it is online and resides in archives and microfilm. This is weird, since the painting appeared in 1930 out of nowhere, was published in Joyant's book, and resurfaced in 1966 in the new edition. Even the 2003 CR says it is one of Vuillard's most popular paintings. Viriditas (talk) 00:48, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
To do
edit- Jane Grigson, Vegetable Book
- There is some agreement that Lautrec is using the oven to bake lobster in this painting. For some reason that I do not understand, Salomon & Cogeval (2003) write about this in the CR in an unusually skeptical way, casting some kind of unnecessary doubt on the authenticity of Thadée Natanson's recollection, which was published (or republished) in 1951. There's clearly an implicit undercurrent here, even though everything points to Lautrec baking lobster. I will address this later.
- Natanson says this is 1897. Salomon & Cogeval (2003) say it is between 1897 and 1899.
- There is some agreement that Lautrec is using the oven to bake lobster in this painting. For some reason that I do not understand, Salomon & Cogeval (2003) write about this in the CR in an unusually skeptical way, casting some kind of unnecessary doubt on the authenticity of Thadée Natanson's recollection, which was published (or republished) in 1951. There's clearly an implicit undercurrent here, even though everything points to Lautrec baking lobster. I will address this later.