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"Released in Japan as...Red and Green"

This statement is false- There are some significant differences between Japanese Green and Red versions and non-Japan Red and Blue. The sprites for the monsters differ, the "dungeons" (tunnels, caves) have slightly different layouts, among other things. Additionally, Blue version was released in Japan, after Red and Green, and is closer to non-Japan Red and Blue. It would be technically more correct to say Pokemon Red and Blue was released as Pocket Monsters Blue in Japan... — Preceding unsigned comment added by -Special:Contributions/ (User talk:-) 22:37, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Some of this is already mentioned further down in the article. Really, I don't think the statement needs changing - JP Green/Red and international Red/Blue are essentially the same game, with some modifications in the later versions.--IDV^talk 23:35, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

There was also a change in the Lavender Town music to make the tones a bit less harsher. I think this should be mentioned, but don't make the mistake of talking about the rumor about suicides it caused (I've listened to a little bit of the original, and I'm not dead, am I?). It really was an important change in the games, since it sparked so many rumors. Awesomeyveltal (talk) 23:24, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

If reliable sources exist that discuss this change in the music, then it certainly can be included in the localization commentary of the article. Otherwise, if there are no sources, then we can't include it. Artichoker^[talk] 23:30, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

European release date

I couldn’t help noticing just now that the infobox currently lists Blue as being released 4 months before Red in Europe. This seems highly unlikely, and the sources provided for the release dates don’t provide any evidence that the two games were released at different times from each other in Europe.

That said, the sources given do disagree with each other about when the pair of games were released; the Pokémon website shows “10 June 1999”[1] while Nintendo’s UK website shows “05/10/1999” for both games[2][3] (that is, October 5 if one assumes it’s in the European format).

So it seems plausible that there was a typo and a misread date format somewhere along the line on one of the websites, but after a quick Google search and a use of the Wayback Machine I haven’t found particularly clear evidence of which is correct. In any case, the information in the infobox clearly needs to be changed, I’m just not at all sure what it needs to be changed to. —MTC (talk) 16:28, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

In the UK both Red and Blue were released simultaneously. I've checked several magazine archives. Nintendo World (a UK magazine) list the UK release date as October 8, 1999 (Friday) which corresponds with the October 5, 1999 (Tuesday) listed on the Nintendo UK website. The October release date is also supported by coverage in other UK video game magazines that I've checked, so I'm certain that the June release date is incorrect. --The1337gamer (talk) 19:22, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

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Not a Red/Blue screenshot

I don't think the Red/Blue versions were ever in color. They were strictly black and white. I have a copy of my own and even when I play it on a GBC, it looks like the typical gray/brown look. This looks like a Pokémon Yellow screenshot. It may not matter. But I thought I should say something.PercyPropa (talk) 21:48, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

The screenshot with the battle between Bulbasaur and Charmander is definitely from Pokémon Yellow. I think it should be changed. Actually, I just checked and it's not Pokémon Yellow. The screenshot seems to be colorized, though. Should it be replaced with a screenshot with the correct colors? Dino10 (talk) 17:25, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

I ended up changing it. The colors were indeed wrong, even though the sprites were from Pokémon Red. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dino10 (talk • contribs) 19:37, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

The colours were correct, they were the ones used when the game is played through a Super Gameboy or Nintendo 64. The current screenshot is from when the game is played on a Gameboy Color, using one of the preset mono-colour palettes, which I don't think is necessarily any more accurate. Spinrad (talk) 03:08, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

I decided to revert the screenshot to the previous one: I feel that the SGB/N64 colour palette is more well known than the red one, which is simply the default GBC colour palette for Red (not Blue). Also I think the colour version helps to better differentiate Bulbasaur from Charmander to the layman, given the screenshot is quite small. Spinrad (talk) 07:32, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

That's not what it looks like on Gameboy Color. The original Gameboy is gray, the red tint is what you see when you play it on a GBC. I even double checked this just now on my own Gameboy Color, it's not in color. 23:47, 9 July 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dino10 (talk • contribs)

No it isn't what it looks like on the GBC, nor did I claim it was. Once again, the full-colour version of the screenshot is what is seen on the Super-Gameboy, Nintendo 64, and emulators, and is probably the most common way the game has been viewed over the years. The second most common way would arguably be in black and white on the pre-colour Gameboy models. That red colour palette is just a preset that Pokemon Red defaults to when used in a GBC, on top of that the palette can be changed, with Pokemon Blue using a different default palette. The red palette is one of the less common ways that the game has been viewed and for that reason is not as good for illustrating the article, especially considering that the full-colour version helps to better differentiate the two figures in the screenshot.Spinrad (talk) 03:03, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

The image should represent the original game, not how it looks on emulators. It shows the original color palette in most common emulators, by the way. It's impossible that this is the "most common way" the game has been viewed, because it doesn't look like that on the original console, only on Nintendo 64 and SNES adapters. Dino10 (talk) 23:15, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Most emulators as far as I know default to either the greyscale palette or SGB colours, I've never come across one that uses the built in GBC palettes for original GB games, at least not by default. The thing is, even if the SGB palette isn't the most common way the game has been seen, there's no way the default hardware GBC palette for Pokemon Red is either. Once you subtract the people who played the game on the original Gameboy/Pocket, the 3DS, the GBC using a different palette, Pokemon Blue, and most emulators, you're not left with even a plurality of people. So it's either going to have to go back to the SGB palette (which is a legitimate palette, and never needed to be changed in the first place, especially with no consensus), or we're going to have to compromise and use the greyscale palette. Spinrad (talk) 04:29, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

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Saw a reference from "We Got This Covered" that a live action movie was in talks?

Is that notable enough to be put in the article? -NowIsntItTime^{(chats)(doings)} 04:14, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

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On the mass changes to structure of and inclusion of remakes, third versions, related games, etc.

You're right, Gold and Silver were already in the article… as an empty section an IP silently added a month or two ago. Zero refs are provided officially qualifying them as "sequels". Not saying you were the one to add them but I hadn't noticed them being here until now.

I can sympathize with the reasoning for including Let's Go, though they are remakes of Yellow not Red and Blue, so I feel conflicted. Gold and Silver, their remakes, and Crystal absolutely do not belong here though. They are separate games, though tangentially related.

The purpose of having rereleases in the Release section and remakes and such in the Legacy section is an established convention. The related games section at the bottom of the article probably ought to go under Legacy as well but their inclusion at all feels forced to me. redsparta^talk 07:15, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Mention of glitches

Hello! So I was a bit surprised to find that these games being very buggy wasn't mentioned at all besides one sentence that talks about players discovering a glitch to obtain mew. I thought that this was something the games were well known for, am I wrong? I'm only asking this because I Feel like this might be worth mentioning. Where I have no clue, just somewhere it would fit. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:14, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Um I Played Pokemon Blue And I Didn't Have Any Problem With Glitches Or Anything Except This One Time Where I Was Catching A Mankey And It Wouldn't Let Me Throw A Poke ball. 66.208.33.254 (talk) 18:08, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

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Proposed merge of Pokémon Yellow into Pokémon Red and Blue

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As raised in another discussion, our Yellow article is largely duplicative of our Red/Blue article. That's how it's covered in our reliable sources and that's how it's covered on Wikipedia. If the relevant differences from Red/Blue (to Yellow) were covered in the main article, a few paragraphs in a dedicated section would suffice. All three are largely covered as the same game, with more similarities than differences. To get ahead of the red herring, yes, Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum should be judged on their own merits but a similar rationale could apply there as well but this discussion is about Yellow. czar 07:10, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - Yellow has its own coverage and several mechanics different from Red and Blue. I am even doubtful that Red and Blue and Red and Green should be the same article, let alone Yellow. (Oinkers42) (talk) 14:27, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Oppose – Yellow has plenty of differences and unique coverage in sources. DecafPotato (talk) 17:46, 28 November 2022 (UTC) Change to neutral/leaning merge. My argument here was based a bit too much on previously looking at articles for Platinum, Emerald, and Ultra Sun and Moon. While I believe that those warrant their own articles, after further review, Yellow does not have enough differences to justify a split, unless more sources can be found, hence the neutrality, though I am leaning towards merge. DecafPotato (talk) 21:41, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

For the record, writing this over at the MK8 talk appears to be a (fairly blatant) violation of WP:CANVAS – despite a similar point being raised, and using that rationale as a merge would be fine; linking from there to here is iffy at best. Mario Kart and Pokémon have nothing to do with each other, this is contacting a group of people that have a known opinion. DecafPotato (talk) 00:57, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

and also, i don't want to participate in another painfully long discussion about whether expanded re-releases should have their own article :( DecafPotato (talk) 01:15, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

obligatory note that this is just me thinking out loud and is not an accusation, just a thought because it feels kind of similar but it would require more attention to actually figure that out, though i'll assume good faith, it's just something to consider DecafPotato (talk) 01:27, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

It is not violating WP:CANVAS as far as I know, because it isn't implying people should vote one way or the other. If it said "Here's something else you should support", or only contacted people who !voted to merge for the last one, then it would absolutely be canvassing, but there are people in that discussion on both sides of the argument, including you, who came here and !voted oppose. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:37, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

It seems to be in CANVAS's "gray area"—it isn't "directly related", nor is it a "central location", though it is certainly not spam and presents the topic in a neutral manner, my one concern is that of the "contacting editors of a known opinion one", though, again, I don't know for sure. DecafPotato (talk) 02:05, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

The editors at that other talk page are roughly split between merge and don't merge though, so even though the opinion might be (partially) known, it's not selectively targeting one side or the other. And it was relevant to the topic at hand---a direct response to the WP:OTHERSTUFF you brought up. On Wikipedia, you can expect that whenever you bring up other stuff as an example of why something is or isn't done, someone will go ahead and open a discussion about it. That's why we care so little about precedent. Axem Titanium (talk) 02:24, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support From looking over the article, Gameplay and Plot are largely overlaps besides a few sentences. Development is small, unreferenced, and partially speculation. Release is also partially a rehash. Reception is the only decently sized original section, but can easily be combined. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:00, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support. Has the same problems as Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and the Booster Course Pass. Gameplay, Plot, and Release sections are mostly the same as Pokémon Red and Blue. The first part of the development section is very unsourced. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 21:32, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

  The lack of sourcing for Yellow's development appears to be a case of WP:NEXIST, plenty of sources, especially on the Pokémon Pink part, can be found. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] DecafPotato (talk) 01:04, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

  It is not about number of sources found, but substantive content within the sources. If they all mention the same thing, it is only worth using one source. My guess is that there is not a ton of info about it, besides a few mentions in the source code, definitely not enough to support a separate article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:42, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support. I thought there would be more to differentiate the articles, given the history, but it really does look like large swathes of duplication. I think there's a stronger article to be written that encompasses all three (four, with Green) versions using WP:SUMMARYSTYLE to cover the minutiae of differences that fall into game guide territory. Axem Titanium (talk) 22:45, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support. Per others. The differences between Yellow and the other two games can be summed up in one or two paragraphs. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 04:47, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. A section on the Pokémon Red and Blue page that cover the gameplay differences between Red/Blue and Yellow can be ok, but I think that we cannot just merge every information of the Yellow page (reception, distribution, ecc...). The game had separate coverage and it originated also two remakes for Nintendo Switch after several years. --Redjedi23 (talk) 14:52, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

  The reception section would certainly need reworking to fit with the rest of Red/Blue, but the gameplay differences are very minimal and the remakes themselves don't necessarily add notability to Yellow. Notability is not inherited, and Let's Go would only make Yellow more notable if they caused an increase in significant coverage for Yellow, which, at least to my knowledge, they did not, though if you can provide sources of Yellow-based SIGCOV, that would be great. DecafPotato (talk) 21:07, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

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Infobox

This is sort of a nitpick, but the Infobox lists the games as:

Pocket Monsters Green

Pokémon Red Version

Pokémon Blue Version

Pokémon Yellow Version

I think referring to the first one as "Pocket Monsters" Green is a little misleading, because it seems to single out Green Version as a Japanese exclusive when in fact the Japanese Red Version was also a Japanese exclusive. (In Japan there was Red and Green Version, and then Blue Version was introduced later. In non-Japanese countries, the Japanese Blue Version was translated/localized and then split into two games, Red Version and Blue Version. So non-Japanese countries never got Green Version, but, strictly speaking, we never got Red Version either.)

The main problem I see is that there is a common misconception which says that Pokemon Green Version is some sort of a "lost" game which was available only in Japan, but that our Red and Blue are the same as Japanese Red and Blue respectively. Again, this is not correct. Our Red is not the same as the Japanese Red but is an altered version of Japanese Blue (some features from Japanese Red were added back into the game).

In order to eliminate any confusion, I propose that "Pocket Monsters Green" be changed to "Pokémon Green". 2603:8080:C600:288F:0:0:0:1468 (talk) 14:19, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Proposed split of Pokémon Red, Blue, and Yellow into Pokémon Red and Blue and Pokémon Yellow

Split Pokémon Red, Blue, and Yellow into Pokémon Red and Blue and Pokémon Yellow. The games are totally different games. The pages were merged without appropriate clear consensus. Yellow has its own coverage and different mechanics different from Red and Blue. Red and Blue and Red and Green should not even be the same article, let alone Yellow. They are literally not even the same games. The games were hastily split inappropriately in the first place and shouldn’t have been merged. The games don’t even have the same graphics and plot line. This would be like merging Avatar 1 and Avatar 2 just because they are both Avatar. The articles in the first place need work but all Pokémon fans know that they are not the same game at all. Yeungkahchun (talk) 19:04, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

I agree with the split, but the merge proposal was closed just yesterday. Redjedi23 (talk) 19:15, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Comment A new splitting discussion is not the right way to raise issues with the closure of the merge discussion above. Should an editor believe that the close was inappropriate, they should raise it at WP:AN in lieu of a dedicated merge review process. Felix QW (talk) 16:03, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

I agree and think they should be separate because they are different games (Yellow is separate). --Sintlepond (talk) 16:30, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

I agree with what ypu said. They are completely different games. It looks so crazy that people wanted to merge these two articles together before TheBloxMan (talk) 18:54, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

@(Oinkers42): What can be done to re-discuss a split of Yellow? --Sintlepond (talk) 16:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I think it is best to create a draft article proving that Yellow has distinct development information, release information, and reception from Red and Blue. Then, re-propose a split on this page. (Oinkers42) (talk) 17:37, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

What (Oinkers42) said sounds sensible. If a draft shows significant novelty that is encyclopedic, but would be undue on a joint page, or that would make this page too long to navigate comfortably, then a renewed split can be considered. Felix QW (talk) 19:18, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

"Totally different games" is, at worst, incorrect, and at best, a complete exaggeration. Sonic the Hedgehog (1991 video game) and Sonic the Hedgehog (2006 video game) are "totally different games". Yellow is virtually the same game as Red/Blue with some minor changes and tweaks to gameplay. Sergecross73 msg me 00:45, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

The games are different enough and should be treated in separate articles. Compare with Pokémon Black 2 and White 2.--Blockhaj (talk) 21:14, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

No they're not. You can't compare a minor revision with an actual numbered sequel. How in the world are you perceiving Yellow as a sequel to Red/Blue?? Sergecross73 msg me 13:41, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Different bosses, different starters, different spritework, new functions. It is equivelant to Crystal, Emerald, etc, especially considering it is gen 1. Blockhaj (talk) 20:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

While it is true that some sprites are different and there are minor features not present in the other two, sources note that The differences between Red, Blue and Yellow are minor. Sources regularly lump yellow in with blue and red. The most that sources will note is that Yellow is considered a special edition (or third version) of Red and Blue. That Yellow is a "totally different game" is not borne out by the sources. All three games have minor differences; that Yellow has slightly more differences than the other two does not warrant splitting it into its own article, especially when taking into account how sources treat the three versions of the game. - Aoidh (talk) 21:23, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Exactly. Reliable sources are much more likely to say things like all three "largely offer the same experience". Sergecross73 msg me 22:17, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

This is not quite correct. Pokemon Yellow Version was an attempt to bring the Pokemon games slightly more in line with the anime, which is why the starter Pokemon is different and why the monster sprites are different. The bosses are exactly the same (unless you're counting Jessie and James as bosses, but they really aren't). The new functions were minimal (I think the only new functions were Pikachu's happiness stat, the surfing Pikachu minigame, a few bug fixes, added support for the Game Boy Printer, and the use of Game Boy Color color palettes but only in the non-Japanese release). The Pokedex entries were also different, and I agree that in many ways Yellow Version is comparable to something like Crystal or Emerald, but it's definitely not comparable to Black 2 and White 2. (Yellow, Crystal, and Emerald were not sequels to Red/Blue, Gold/Silver, and Ruby/Sapphire, whereas Black 2 and White 2 were sequels to Black and White.)

That said, I am not opposed to splitting the articles. And with regard to "sources", the Nintendo Power magazine regarded Pokemon Yellow Version as a distinct game from Red and Blue Versions if I recall correctly. 2603:8080:C600:288F:0:0:0:1468 (talk) 14:33, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Amen.--Blockhaj (talk) 23:48, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

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