Talk:Paul Ekman

Incomplete List

I think the list seems incomplete. Why is boredom not listed? We have a particular look on our face when we are bored. Bree25 (talk) 05:00, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Complete expansion of work

P. Ekman needs a lot of expansion, and his work is easily accessible for the task. His 'universal' emotions are quite highly regarded and cited in psychological texts and journals relating to emotions. JoeSmack ^Talk 16:18, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

p. Ekman already has stated that he has updated his theory but wont realise it to the public. He fears it can be missused by goverment and other organisations. We might have to wait till he passes away to get to know how accurate and up to date his science and his knowledge ist--Nakurio (talk) 11:35, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Cal Lightman

Why is Cal Lightman mentioned in the introduction? That could be said in a section about the Lie To Me series, but not at the beggining...--Jean Yevenes (talk) 20:41, 21 December 2009 (UTC)This statement found in criticisms is completely bias "yet he's quite willing to let Fox make a TV show purportedly based on his insights." this really needs to be taken down.

Question of the universality of contempt, which was not adequately referenced

Paul Ekman's own statement on the question of the universality of contempt: "I do not discuss the recent findings on the universality of contempt. As we wrote (Ekman & Friesen, 1986), contempt is unusual in many respects, and further, contempt was not studied as a separate emotion from disgust in many of the early studies on which the claim of universality rests." Ekman, P. (1994). Strong evidence for universals in facial expressions: A reply to Russell's mistaken critique. Psychological Bulletin, 115, 268-287.

Dates

There are hardly any dates in this article or the related ones. When did he travel to determine cultural expressions, when was the wizards project started, and when did he develop the facial action coding system?

Revisions

I am quite shocked at the lack of information as well. Working on revisions... Aldaros23 (talk) 02:47, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Copy-editing, please

This needs good old fashioned editing very badly. There are stylistic infelicities throughout, e.g. "New other tools have been developed". Ugh.

Went through again, but it's not that bad. I've seen far worse. Aldaros23 (talk) 02:25, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Reference no. 1

"A list of the first 25 names, in order, can be found under "Historically important writers" at Template:Psychology." No it can't. Maybe it's not that important, but I wanted to see it and it wasn't there. Litawor (talk) 18:41, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Infamous?

Why are cross-cultural studies "infamous"? May be they are just "famous"? Bradomín (talk) 07:26, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

I suspect that use of the word "infamous" is due to a lack of familiarity by the WP article writer with the pejorative connotations of the word. I have seen that elsewhere on WP, and in other references to Paul Ekman on WP:

"For more than 40 years, Paul Ekman has supported the view that emotions are discrete, measurable, and physiologically distinct. Ekman's most famous work revolved around the finding that certain emotions appeared to be universally recognized, even in cultures that were preliterate and could not have learned associations for facial expressions through media. Another infamous study found that when participants contorted their facial muscles into distinct facial expressions (e.g. disgust), they reported subjective and physiological experiences that matched the distinct facial expressions. His research findings led him to classify six emotions as basic: anger, disgust, fear, happiness, sadness and surprise."

Emphasis mine. Unfortunately, parties who have high visibility choose to incorrectly excerpt from Wikipedia, and this has NOTHING to do with the use of famous, or infamous, or any wrong doing on the part of Wikipedia e.g. Seth's Blog "Millions of words and only 6 emotions:

"The intellectual part of the human mind can spin delightful or frightening stories, can compare features and benefits, can create narratives that compel us to take action. But all of these words are merely costumes for the six emotions built deep in our primordial soup: Anger, disgust, fear, happiness, sadness and surprise. Knowing that there are only a few keys on the keyboard doesn't make it easier to write a pop hit or a great novel, but it's a start. In the case of someone with an idea to spread or a product to sell, knowing that you've only got six buttons might help focus your energy."

which is then re-propagated in an endless echo chamber of indiscriminate followers. --FeralOink (talk) 04:04, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikilinks

In the list of additional basic emotions, the word "Excitement" is wikilinked to the article Anxiety, i.e. only negative excitement. Also, "Contentment" and "Satisfaction" are both linked to Contentment, but obviously Ekman thinks of these two as disjoint basic categories, so they cannot be the same. It would be better to leave terms without a wikilink instead of linking them to something that is not a close enough synonym. --92.214.141.249 (talk) 13:45, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

refs

I've put in 2 refs. One citing "the best human lie detector in the world" quote. Amazingly the Huff Post used this in a headline today. I do hope that the fact requested didn't come from a Huff Post linked editor, but I'll assume good faith.

I also put a ref to "Jewish parents" of [1]. There may be something that some folks consider to be more reliable. There are lots of links for this but none that I've seen are NY Times quality. The ref at the end of that sentence may cover it, but is behind a paywall.

Not that it should affect this article, but I actually discussed this with Paul Ekman himself in a very short telephone conversation decades ago. (Truth is stranger than fiction) He told me that he was Jewish and his ancestors probably came from Belarus (which is quite surprising). Smallbones_(smalltalk) 16:45, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

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Also, George C. Williams and Randolph M. Nesse cite Ekman's basic emotions model of facial expressions as evidence of the cross-cultural universality of emotion in Why We Get Sick (1995) (p. 210; ISBN 978-0679746744), and the acknowledgements of The Adapted Mind (1992) edited by John Tooby and Leda Cosmides cite Ekman as being among their professional colleagues who helped them shape and formulate their application of evolutionary theory to psychology. -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 06:02, 21 June 2022 (UTC)