Talk:Olivia Atwater

Did you know nomination

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The result was: rejected by BorgQueen (talk) 23:14, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that Olivia Atwater's debut novel Half a Soul, which follows a girl who is unable to feel and express her emotions after a faerie stole half of her soul, is set in the Regency era? Source: [1]
  • ALT1: ... that the main character from Olivia Atwater's debut novel Half a Soul is unable to feel and express her emotions and that her condition was interpreted as a metaphor for neurodivergence? Source: [2]
  • Reviewed:

Created by Poirot09 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:37, 5 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Half a Soul; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• I think there might need to be changes to the hook because, as currently written, it fails WP:DYKSG#C6: If the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:02, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Is it okay now? I haven't changed it much since I think the premise of the book is the most interesting part. Poirot09 (talk) 14:14, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

I've added a possible ALT that clearly refers to the real world in case the first one doesn't meet the requirement. Poirot09 (talk) 22:15, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Can we try a different angle here? I don't think this one is working out. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:47, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

For both hooks? Is the issue the wording or the content? I'll see but I feel like those are the most interesting bits. Poirot09 (talk) 10:54, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

There may be disagreement on this, but based on previous precedent, I really don't think the new ALT solves the earlier concern about it not being related to the real world. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:18, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• I have an idea with ALT1. Is this interpretation thing within the book, or was it from a review? It's not very clear in ALT1, but if it's the latter, I think the hook could be rewritten to be able to meet the guideline. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:17, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

  @User:Narutolovehinata5 Sorry for the late reply, yes the fact is from a review, should it be explicitly attributed to the reviewer? Poirot09 (talk) 15:31, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

  Yes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 17:54, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

  @Poirot09: status report? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:17, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

• Just passing by here – I'm not comfortable with the phrase "unable to feel and express her emotions". In the first place, it's self-contradictory; if this character doesn't feel emotion, then it makes little sense to say she also can't express the emotions that she doesn't have. And secondly, my impression from reading the Tor source is that the character does in fact feel emotion, and expresses it, but expresses it in a way that is not easily comprehensible to those around her. If, as I gather from the source's cagey wording, the character is meant to be autistic, then it's important to get the hook right so as not to perpetuate misconceptions about the condition on the main page. Sojourner in the earth (talk) 07:05, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
• New enough, long enough. Every paragraph that needs a citation has one. No neutrality problems found, no copyright problems found, no maintenance templates found. QPQs unnecessary. I won't approve a hook with the phrase "feel and express her emotions", per Sojourner in the earth - what else have you got?--Launchballer 08:43, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
• Poirot09 seems to be MIA as far as this nom, so probably time to close this one up unless they can resolve the outstanding issues. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 17:11, 8 May 2023 (UTC)