Talk:Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy

Working on a Brand New EERE Article

I'm currently working on a new draft of this article, which is pretty much 100% new—-the current EERE page has little to it except for the budget numbers, which are outdated, and the EERE mission statement. There are also no sources. So I'm working on a brand new draft that is more detailed and up-to-date than what is currently up here. It'd be lovely if anyone interested in this page could check out the draft I'm working on, and suggest what can be done to improve it. You can see it here: Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy. Feel free to leave any suggestions at my talk page or at the draft's talk page. Thanks! Elispen (talk) 21:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Johnfos, who was helping to improve my draft, has moved it over here to the mainspace. I wanted to make a note here in case anyone is keeping track of this! I'm looking through some of the history and seeing what was added before my version was copied over, just to make sure nothing was lost. (And there seems to have been a few edits about Cathy Zoi and a few other things.) And I was advised that this does need more some sources that are farther away from EERE.

I just wanted to make a little note here in explanation, just in case. Elispen (talk) 23:36, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Sources

Hello, and thanks to User:Elispen for working on this page. I have to emphasize on the sourcing (as it is mentioned above). It is the biggest thing that stands out to me regarding this page. Check out WP:SECONDARY if you haven't already. This article would be greatly strengthened substituting content/evolving towards secondary sources. Nearly all sources are primary sources (from the EERE/DOE/etc.) The Solar Decathalon isn't an independent secondary source, at least, as it is sponsored by EERE. Elispen, it would be super nice if you could incorporate some media coverage, journal references (with DOI's) or whatever. Also, don't worry about editing the page directly. You've nicely declared your COI so feel free to chop away! Thanks. -Wervo (talk) 01:43, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Old material, budget table, criticism section

I was dissapointed to find that some content that appears useful was completely dropped in the new rewrite so I'm going to reinstate some old material. -Wervo (talk) 01:56, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm a bit worried about editing this page directly, which is why I hesitated on that. Thanks for looking into this, Wervo!

A few thoughts on the content that was lost: I actually had a budget table in my new draft, which included the FY09 funding, but one of the reviewers who helped me with it suggested that it was too much information for Wikipedia. That budget table was here [1] if you wanted to see that. (It seems both of you are working on this right now. I have no preference either way, but if any budget info is in there, it should be the most recent information.)

As for the stuff that was lost! The Cathy Zoi stuff can be worked on, I think. First off, I wasn't sure if it'd be better to wait until she was confirmed (since she's just a nominee right now). I think it'd be worthwhile to get some sources from the organizations she works for/has founded/etc. The current text seems to have been taken pretty much straight from our writeup of the DOE press release, complete with the picture [2]. Since DOE just provided a basic background overview, there has to be some more meaningful stuff out there. It doesn't seem right to only have info from a press release in there.

And finally, the criticism information that was in there before wasn't very useful. I think it was just a generic, uncited statement saying that EERE researches biomass, and biomass has been criticized a lot, thus EERE has presumably been criticized. I'm sure there probably is criticism of the Biomass Program out there, so it'd be good to go find some examples of that.

I'm sorry to just do an idea dump here! I probably won't have time to look for sources until May, though. From my own memory, I know that there was a bit of media coverage when Representative Ed Markey spoke out about the early 2008 zeroing out of the Weatherization Program (which is no longer an issue, but was newsworthy then, possibly?) but I'm sure there's more general (and less dated) coverage out there. It just needs to be dug up.

Phew! So that's my thoughts on this. I hope that's a little helpful! Elispen (talk) 18:35, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for commenting. Well you wrote the page so no need to hesitate in editing it! Thanks for the ideas on secondary sources. Regarding the budget it was removed as "not required"[3]. I'm thinking along WP:BRD lines so lets discuss. I don't think the table is "required" but that it is useful. A graph that shows where money is going gives a quantitative view on departments that are only now described in a qualitative way. Right now, I would support the budget out of the article only if "Major Programs" and such, simply get turned into lists (which really, I think they should, until they are described [and expanded] by independent secondary sources). But in list form, a quantitative table seems silly for no qualitative data. Thanks. -Wervo (talk) 00:53, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Related talk here, going to reinstate the budget table. -Wervo (talk) 01:03, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for keeping on top of this, and sorry that I've not been super responsive! I should have a bit more time to look at this soon. The budget table can probably be trimmed a bit, and we definitely need to add in the FY09 information. So I'll look at this when I have a moment. Thanks! Elispen (talk) 15:09, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Updating the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy + conflict of interest

Please note that I will not be editing Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy or related pages directly, but will post editing suggestions on this article's talk page." I have asked the community for help reviewing and posting the edits to the page. Those edits are in the sandbox at https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/User:Ch2017/sandbox

--CH2017 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ch2017 (talk • contribs) 23:43, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Hey guys! I don't know if anyone's looking at this talk page, but I'm helping user:ch2017 with the updated draft for the EERE page. The draft she linked above had some issues, so that link doesn't work anymore. I have a newly edited and cleaned up version in my sandbox over here. I also have a Conflict of Interest, so I also don't intend to make these changes directly. I'm hoping someone else looking at this talk page could look at this draft and give us some feedback--and if it looks good, it'd be great if someone could help us post it! Feedback welcome! Es2017 (talk) 19:57, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

I saw the note about requesting an update, and I can help work in some of that draft page. There's more I would consider adding (history of EERE for example) that I need to do some third-party source checking that would help flesh this out more. (I do have familiarity with what EERE provides but nothing close to a COI beyond academic/scholarly interest in the field, so reasonable certain I can help). --MASEM (t) 15:41, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

I have incorporated your draft, as reviewing it I didn't see any serious COI issues compared to the previous version (heavily sourced to the EERE website but that's not much of a problem for something like this). I did reorganize some topics and trimmed out the number of headers too. --MASEM (t) 18:40, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Oh, that's fantastic! Thanks a lot for reviewing and improving the draft so much. Es2017 (talk) 20:56, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Updating the Acting Administrator name for the Office of EERE

There is a new acting assistant secretary for the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE) named Daniel Simmons. I would like someone to replace Steve Chalk's name, who is currently listed on the EERE page as acting assistant secretary, with Daniel Simmons. The footnote, which goes to the current org chart, can remain. Would someone from the community kindly make this change? The page is https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Office_of_Energy_Efficiency_and_Renewable_Energy

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ch2017 (talk • contribs) 16:16, 14 September 2017 (UTC)