Talk:Nothing More to Say

GA Review

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Nominator: Skyshifter (talk · contribs) 04:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Dxneo (talk · contribs) 04:14, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello Skyshifter, I see you've singlehandedly worked on this piece, not even a single bot helped you. This is truly amazing, keep up the excellent work. This is a very short article, I will be reviewing this in a couple of days. Let's have fun!

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Comments:

Prose

Lead + quick facts

• "Eeehhh" --> "Eeehhh"
  • I think this is valid because the article also talks about "Eeehhh".

• It was characterized as electro house while also containing pop influences. This statement sounds more like an opinion, how about ===> "It is an electro house song infused with elements of pop". dxneo (talk) 18:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
  • Rephrased differently

• The single was reissued in early 2022. ===> "Nothing More to Say" was reissued in early 2022". I would suggest that you add precise date like "it was released on 2 May 1994".

dxneo (talk) 18:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

• • I couldn't find a precise date on a reliable source.

Background and release

• The single contains three tracks. Two of them are versions of "Nothing More to Say": a dub version where DJ Jackmaster was involved and a vocal mix. The other track is "Eeehhh". ===> The single is composed of three songs: "Eeehhh" and two versions of "Nothing More to Say", a vocal mix and a dub version with assistance from DJ Jackmaster. dxneo (talk) 18:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
  • Done, but I'll still keep "where Jackmaster was involved" because there's an inconsistency in the sources on how exactly he was involved.

• The single was released in January 2013 through Huntleys + Palmers. ===> It was released in January 2023 through Huntleys + Palmers. dxneo (talk) 18:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
  • Done

• Its CEO Andrew Thomson said that the single would've been released earlier if "distribution hadn't been as slow". ===> The CEO of Huntleys + Palmers, Andrew Thomson said that "Nothing More to Say" would have been released earlier if "distribution hadn't been as slow". dxneo (talk) 18:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
  • Did a few different changes

• When releasing the single, Sophie said: "I try to make music which is fun to dance to—that should be the loudest voice talking. I think it would be extremely exciting if music could take you on the same sort of high-thrill three-minute ride as a theme park roller coaster." ===> Upon the release of" Nothing More to Say", Sophie said that "I try to make music which is fun to dance to—that should be the loudest voice talking. I think it would be extremely exciting if music could take you on the same sort of high-thrill three-minute ride as a theme park roller coaster." dxneo (talk) 18:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
  • Actually, Sophie said this in an interview before the single was released, but the release of the single was accompanied by that quote. Rephrased.

Composition

• Change the single to either "It" or "Nothing More to Say" depending on the context. dxneo (talk) 19:36, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
  • I think "the single" emphasizes that this characterization is for all songs in the single ("Nothing More to Say" and "Eeehhh"), not just the "Nothing More to Say" song.

• Philip Sherburne of Pitchfork described it as "a sparkling take on club pop", ===> Writing for Pitchfork, Philip Sherburne described it as "a sparkling take on club pop",

I would suggest that you drop the quotation marks and turn this section into reported speech dxneo (talk) 19:36, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Though it is not necessary to completely drop quotations, I will reduce them.

• "[p]acked with just the right amount of pop, the formula [is] simple yet undeniable".

I honestly do not know what's going on here, that's why I suggested you quotation to a minium dxneo (talk) 19:36, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Are you talking about the square brackets? That's very common when it's needed to slightly adapt a quote for context.

• Please work on the quotation dxneo (talk) 19:36, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Reception

• This section is mainly composed of the issues highted above. One think I don't understand is that, Earwig does flag this article as likely copyright vio although it is mainly made up of quotes, how so? dxneo (talk) 19:36, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
• Earwig doesn't differ a straight copy from a quote. Either way, if it's high then it's a problem even when in quotation marks, so I'll work on it.

Track listing

According to Apple Music, (Redacted) was the producer on all three songs. dxneo (talk) 19:36, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

I know it wasn't your intention but this is Sophie's deadname, so I've redacted it. (I don't know if this is Apple Music or the label's to blame, but it is concerning that that name is there.) Anyway, I will add a Personnel section to this article.

References

• According to Apple Music and Pitchfork, "Nothing More to Say" was released on 18 February 2013. Resident Advisor says January 2013 and this says 11 February 2013. Which one is it? dxneo (talk) 19:36, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
  • I went with the earliest date available in a reliable source, in this case Resident Advisor saying January 2013. Note that the song was released in multiple formats and, at the time, they would usually be available only in certain countries before being released in others. This is probably why the date is different in each source: it depends on the format and location. However, in most cases, only the earliest is important to note.

• How is this source (Resident Advisor) related to the subject? dxneo (talk) 19:36, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
  • A source doesn't need to be about the subject to be used. While this is the review of Sophie's Product compilation, it also talks significantly about "Nothing More to Say" and so it was used.

Original search

• The single was reissued in early 2022. This claim is unreferenced. dxneo (talk) 19:36, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
  • I've found a source confirming that the single was reissued in 2022. I managed to slightly expand the article based on this.

Plagiarism

• Violation unlikely as Earwif finds 28.1% similarities of which is a quoted text. dxneo (talk) 19:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Is it stable

• This article was solely written by one editor. Therefore, it expirienced no edit wars. dxneo (talk) 19:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Media files

• Looks good as there's only one attached file which is a non-free cover art. dxneo (talk) 19:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Verdict

• In my opinion, I don't think this article is a Good Article material. Not sure if it's a single, single album or extended play and producer(s) are not credited. Not much information provided in the sources to expand the article. Different release dates on multiple sources, it's a product of WP:OR and it is not well written (see WP:GOCE). I am leaning towards Decline, but I'll take another reviewers opinion into consideration. dxneo (talk) 19:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
  • @Dxneo: Thank you for your review. I don't understand the reasons for a "decline". The confusion over whether this is a single or EP is in the sources, not the article, which defines it as a single while explaining that some sources (a minority) say otherwise. There is no confusion on the article itself, which is what matters. "Producer(s) are not credited" has been fixed. I don't know what "Not much information provided in the sources to expand the article" means — this is a short article because there is not much information about the single, and that's fine. I've promoted shorter articles. "Different release dates on multiple sources" goes back to what I said about the single/EP definition: that's a thing with the sources, not our article, where this confusion doesn't exist. "It is not well written" might have been fixed with your suggestions above. Could you take another look at the article and see whether these points have been addressed? Skyshiftertalk 21:03, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

    Skyshifter, thank you for all this hard work. Can't help it but notice that you are somewhat onto something here. I was wondering if there's any commercial or chart performance for this song? Again, the quotation is too much, how about instead of Dxneo said "the single was a hit", you turn it to Writing for en-wiki, Dxneo stated that "Nothing More to Say" was a hit. Get my point? Lastly, please provide a precise release date, just a month and a year. (Redacted) produced all three tracks. dxneo (talk) 22:52, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

    @Dxneo: I believe I addressed these points already. As I said above, it is not necessary to remove all quotations, though I've reduced them quite a bit. Should I attempt to reduce them even more? The song has not charted. There is no precise release date, nor is it necessary to provide one; while there is one stating 18 February 2013, January 2013 is the earliest and preferable. I believe you have not read above what I said about the song's production, so I repeat, "I know it wasn't your intention but this is Sophie's deadname, so I've redacted it". Skyshiftertalk 23:01, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

    Oh I did not know that, thank you so much. Don't kill me for double checking haha. dxneo (talk) 23:05, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

    With that being said and all the above issues addressed, I will now pass this. dxneo (talk) 23:08, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

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