Talk:Mina (Japanese singer)

Change article name?

Does this article need to be titled as "Mina (Japanese singer)" or should it just be "Mina (singer)"? Sana's article is just titled as Sana (singer) without specifying the nationality. Because Mina sings a lot in Korean, the current specification of nationality seems perhaps slightly misleading. Apples&Manzanas (talk) 02:09, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Subsequent update: It was pointed out to me that Mina (singer) redirects to Mina (Italian singer) already. As such, I believe this article is titled appropriately because Mina (singer) is already taken. Apples&Manzanas (talk) 04:03, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

According to Mina (given name)#Japanese, there are at least two Japanese singers named "Mina". But Mina Myoui is nowhere used, she is simply addressed as "Mina" in every single source. Snowflake91 (talk) 11:18, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Can we publish?

I worked hard today to fix many of the problems with the previous submission. I think the article is in a lot better shape now. Is it the best article in the world? No. But I think it meets the criteria published. Articles will naturally get better over time of course. What do you think, can we publish it? Can you improve anything futher? Apples&Manzanas (talk) 07:36, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

When you are sourcing, do not use the same link multiple times, use <ref name="link1">{{cite web...}}</ref>, and then <ref name="link1"/> for any further inclusion Snowflake91 (talk) 10:53, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

I see - thanks. Apples&Manzanas (talk) 11:03, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

I've submitted it to be published anyway. I think it should be published, unlike Draft:Chaeyoung, Mina has a large number of reliable sources mentioning her in the headlines. Apples&Manzanas (talk) 14:13, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

I think this is ready for publishing, as there are multiple reliable sources (BBC, SCMP, etc.) which focus on her personally. -Zanhe (talk) 05:06, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Improved the draft after finding a good series of articles today from The Chosun Ilbo (which is listed as a reliable source WP:WikiProject_Korea/Reliable_sources). I think the draft easily meets any number of criteria now both WP:ENT (criteria 2) and WP:GNG (significant coverage). Now I guess we just wait. Apples&Manzanas (talk) 13:45, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

@Apples&Manzanas: Thanks for the huge improvements you've made, this is way better than the initial submission that I declined back in June. I went ahead and accepted the draft. Cheers, -Zanhe (talk) 07:49, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Mina nationality

I'm don't think that Mina should be described as "Japanese-American" in the lead. Numerous reliable sources describe Mina as "Japanese". I don't know of any sources that describe Mina as a "Japanese-American" singer, even though she has an American passport. And I've never seen Mina self-identify as anything other than Japanese. Thoughts? Apples&Manzanas (talk) 08:20, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

MOS:CONTEXTBIO provides guidance here to prefer nationality over ethnicity. So it should either be American or not mentioned in regards to her notability. Evaders99 (talk) 16:30, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Well, I agree that nationality should be mentioned over ethnicity...but that I don't see that as being relevant here. Japanese *is* her nationality. It's not like she's not a Japanese citizen, this isn't a question of ethnicity. The question is whether you mention both nationalities, or only one nationality. I don't see the case for describing her as "Japanese-American" when no sources describe like that, she doesn't self-identify that, etc. And certainly, no one has ever considered Mina to be an "American singer". She only has American citizenship by pure legal technicality. If you wish to see an analogy, look at 2017–18 Australian parliamentary eligibility crisis, where a bunch of Australian MPs found out they had dual citizenships by pure legal technicality. I believe every one of their wikipedia pages still describes them as Australian regardless of whether they inherited a dual citizenship due to some great-great-grandad they didn't know about. Apples&Manzanas (talk) 12:30, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Actually, if you want another really good example, look at Julian Assange. He is described as Australian, rather than Australian-Ecuadorian, despite having dual-citizenship. Apples&Manzanas (talk) 12:42, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

It is also worth pointing out the title of the article too. Mina (Japanese singer) rather than Mina (Japanese-American singer). Apples&Manzanas (talk) 16:03, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Maybe it helps to accept this as useful information that it explains why she gets a lot of the English lines and even opening verses in their songs? I believe fans being curious about that and visting Wikipedia to learn more, will be happy to find that bit of info along with the coherent fact that she was born in Texas. Aalthough it seems to be unclear at what exact age she moved to Japan, that apparently had some influence on her individual language skills. --WPmurphy (talk) 19:32, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Is there any evidence she has dual citizenship? Evaders99 (talk) 21:25, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

@Evaders99: yes of course there is evidence. (A) She was born in America. (B) There's a citation for Mina having dual citizenship in the Forbes article. (C) Ive seen video of Twice members teasing Mina because she is an American citizen who can't speak English. @WPmurphy: I don't agree. That seems like original research and fancruft. Also, she doesn't speak English anyway, so I'm not sure that your theory is correct. Also, the article mentions she has American citizenship and I'm not proposing to delete that -- readers will still see she is an american citizen and that she was born in the usa. I'm just saying that the lead should not describe her as "Japanese-American". Apples&Manzanas (talk) 23:34, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

3 years later, but while the government source stating that a person with her name relinquished her U.S citizenship, the source would likely not be usable per WP:BLPPRIMARY. I don't think she's publicly announced that she relinquished everything, and that's up to her if she wants to keep that information to herself. It looks like she relinquished her citizenship around the age many Japanese citizens with multiple citizenship have to pick one (?).

Ultimately, her parents are Japanese, she was raised in Japan, her entertainment career is in Japan/South Korea, and she is largely seen as, and identifies as just "Japanese". Her American birth and reportedly once holding a U.S passport are not relevant in the opening sentence. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 05:10, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

This is no longer relevant as Mina has relinquished her US citizenship as of 2019.

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Mina's real name

"Mina Sharon Myoi" was her birth name when she was born in the US. As she had relinquished her US citizenship in 2019, her name should be changed into her Japanese legal name "Mina Myoi" as showed on her organ donor card. -- Cisdine (talk) 15:33, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

@Cisdine: Birth name should be retain as it's now and shouldn't be changed. However, her "new" legal name can be listed as under Other names inside the infobox with the source you have provided as reference (see newer reply). And for the lead section, her birth name should be moved to inside the brackets with existing bold retain. Like so '''Mina Myoi'''<replace with reference> (replace with korean name, replace with japanese, born '''Mina Sharon Myoi''' on March 24, 1997) .... — 🍊 Paper9oll 🍊 (📣 • 📝) 15:41, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

@Cisdine: This reference , sorry about that because I thought you linked it. Instagram cannot be used as reference. Please also note that, this is my personal opinion, other editors may think otherwise hence if you feeling bold, you can go ahead and make the changes yourself. — 🍊 Paper9oll 🍊 (📣 • 📝) 15:46, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Whether she is no longer a US citizen or not is pretty irrelevant to this, it doesn't change the fact that its the name she was given at birth. Alex (talk) 19:40, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

@Alexanderlee and Paper9oll: Just curious is there any official policy that the immediate name given at birth should be the name in bold in start of article. Before I make any edits, I just want to make sure because "Mina Sharon Myoi" is the name registered with the United States but the name registered with the Japanese MOJ at "birth" is "Mina Myoi". Also the JP wiki has her "birth name" as both along with the KO wiki's "legal name" having both. I also found multiple Japanese sources and a Time article which profiles her "real/legal name" as Mina Myoi. Also instagram can be used as a source as long it " can be authenticated as belonging to the subject" as per official wiki policy regarding using Instagram as a primary source. Botimont (talk) 03:46, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

References

I think it'd be best if her name were edited to "Mina Myoi" but with her birth name afterward in parentheses, as is the case for Lee Seung-jun (basketball) and Han Ye-seul. Danareina (talk) 04:32, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

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