Talk:Metroid Prime 3: Corruption

WP:VG Assessment

Some very simple things.

• Needs more images. One in the plot section, and another in the gameplay one, would do.
• Ref 15 is a big red error.
• The reception section has some language errors. For example GameSpot is not a "who", and generally does not state things. The author, however, does.
• The Plot section is too long, and does not explain the setting. Do explain this, in about he same length as the whole plot section stands now.
• The article needs to be wikified with links to topics outside the scope of video gaming. Especially the Plot and Development section could benefit from this.
• Profile pages in the external links are generally bad, as they (should be) unable to convey any more information than the Wikipedia article.

Rated B-class, Mid-importance. This could easily be A-class if the above points are worked upon. User:Krator (t c) 15:02, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Plot

Needs additions, fixes, improvements and more details (such as the GFS Valhalla and Energy Cells). Help Anyone? 172.164.14.50 15:22, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Fixes and improvements I can see, but additions and more details? The section's already a bit large, as noted in the WP:VG assessment above. Arrowned 19:00, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Metroid Prime Preview out in Europe

just downloaded it, added it to the main body of the article, but stumbled when trying to add the ref (http://wiinintendo.net/2007/10/15/metroid-prime-3-channel-in-europe/) couldn't quite figure out how to do it, and I didn't want to screw up the entire reference list so figured it was better letting someone else do itGolden Dragoon 18:07, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Took care of it. Arrowned 20:11, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Golden Dragoon 20:13, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Plot summary, again

The plot summary is way too long. Realistically, it could be condensed to a paragraph. One should not read this article as a replacement for playing the game. Here's what it could easily look like:

The Space Pirates, in alliance with Dark Samus, are attempting to spread Phazon throughout the galaxy by the use of Leviathans, meteor-like objects/creatures which are able to spread Phazon over entire planets after impact. Early on, Samus and several other bounty hunters are attacked by Dark Samus; as a result, Phazon becomes part of their life force, and they are equipped with technology that allows them to utilize Phazon as energy. Over the course of the game, Samus travels to several planets and other parts of the galaxy, fighting many corrupted creatures, including the other bounty hunters, and eventually arrives at Phaaze, the source of all Phazon in the galaxy. Samus travels to its core, where she defeats Dark Samus, and as a result, Phaaze is destroyed and all Phazon in the galaxy is rendered inert.

It's been a while and I wasn't sure if the Leviathans were alive or not, so just fix it as necessary. --iTocapa ^t 02:47, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Not bad. I think it could use a LITTLE more depth than that, but that is a very nice nutshell summary of the game. Perhaps this summary should be the one we use on the Samus Aran article for her role in this game? There are some important plot points (particularly the Aurora Units, which are apparently the basis for Mother Brain) that deserve mention - we just don't need a whole lot of detail about them. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 18:24, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Could be shortened. But we need to include the setting somewhere, and usually it enters the plot section. igordebraga ≠ 00:19, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Good Article review and concerns

Overall, a solid article. I do have some issues and suggestions:

• The lead is written in a counter intuitive way, considering the article layout. Shouldn't plot come before reception? Should you mention something about its marketing?
• Pick a tense. Reviews and comments switch from "So and so says that " to "Nintendo replied." I would say stick with past, unless its a figure like "as of (date), sold X units."
• Reception- splitting up the section into individual publications seems to through more weight behind the reviewers rather than what they said. Most games split it up into postive/negative portions, with concerns of each publication throughout. This is just a stylistic concern, nothing that will pass/fail the article.

Get back to me when you think you have fixed the above, and I'll go through it once more. Thanks, David Fuchs ^(talk) 02:01, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Further concerns: Believe it or not, you can have (and actually need) a longer plot section. What I suggest is follow games like Halo 3 in creating a synopsis section with setting, characters, and plot. The plot can really remain the same, but it needs an introduction for those who have never played the games (like me!) David Fuchs ^(talk) 15:32, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Hopefully someone will grab that soon. I was able to attend to your earlier suggestions, but since I have yet to complete the game, I am hoping someone else maybe able to spruce up the Plot/Synopsis details :-p. Needless, It should not be a difficult task - or at least I hope it will not. --ShadowJester07 ► Talk 22:21, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Also, it's mentioned that Electronic Gaming Monthly gave the game a Silver award with scores of 9.0, 8.5 and 8.5. Would you mind explaining what the scores are for? bibliomaniac15 04:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I clarified that the numbers are separate overall scores from the three reviewers. Just64helpin (talk) 03:20, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Maybe the development section could be trimmed a little. I took one look and thought: I am not reading all that! But that's just my opinion. Epass (talk) 20:30, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Seeing as the concerns above were not addressed, I am failing the article. David Fuchs ^(talk) 23:04, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

That's too bad. I believe the intro might need to be expanded a bit (add one more paragraph), and the final sentence of the first paragraph needs to be cited. Everything else looks really nice and I think it should soon be ready for another GA nomination. --haha169 (talk) 02:03, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

GA On Hold

• The paragraphs are very splintered, they don't flow well, so consolidate the paragraphs into bigger paragraphs.

That's really all, it looks very strong otherwise, stable, very comprehensive, totally referenced, even a free use image which is not super common for video game articles. For FA, copyedit a bunch, either with help or by yourself, and you should have a sparkling FA. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:55, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Could you be more specific, such as selecting two paragraphs that should be merged? I looked through the article and each paragraph appears to deal with a new topic from the previous one; the only paragraphs that are very much related are in the ones in Reception, which I have improved on. Gary King (talk) 20:26, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Your instincts served you well as you fixed it without thinking you had :) Passed! Copedit this thing, and send it to FA! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 20:32, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Game Ending

Whie editing this page, I noticed there is a hidden comment at the end saying that any word of who is flying the ship at the end is original research. That person is thought to be Sylux, of Metroid Prime Hunters. Trust me, I've seen this everywhere. --Vhoscythe^chatter-sign 17:43, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

If it is only "thought to be", then, yes, it is original research and doesn't belong here. If confirmed, you'll need a source. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 17:55, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I think it's Dark Samus again, or some other Phazon-based creature, since the ship is the same color as Phazon. Groundlord (talk) 16:44, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

That's irrelevant and OR unless you can back it up. Haipa Doragon • (contributions) 17:02, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

The fact is, the owner of the ship is a deliberate mystery. Perhaps it looks like Sylux's ship, or is the same color as Phazon, but all that has been confirmed by Nintendo and/or Retro Studios is that it's a ship following Samus. No other clues are given as to who that is or why he/she/it is following her. So to add details about who we THINK it might be is WP:OR. If we don't have any official sources saying it's Sylux, or Dark Samus, or anyone in particular, it doesn't belong in the article. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 17:23, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

If a reliable source states that it's commenly interpreted as being Sylux's ship, we could cite that source. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 07:16, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Environment/lore information

Six months old, but anyways. A person who worked at Retro Studios as an environment artist during the production of Prime 3 made a forum post detailing his work and revealing some interesting information about Bryyo lore that didn't actually make it into the game. I'm noting it here in case anyone thinks it's feasible to use some of this info in the Development section of the article. Arrowned (talk) 05:47, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Reviews not in prose

Quick question: I reverted an edit by User:Gary King in which he removed a number of reviews from the Reception table because they weren't used in the prose. I don't recall seeing a discussion where that was agreed upon - if you could point me to one, that'd be great. I don't see the harm in listing review scores from other sites (so long as they're notable and reliable - I think GameSpy is considered reliable), even if they don't show up in the prose. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 00:44, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Usually I'd agree, but after reading this I tend to agree with the reasoning. Gary King (talk) 00:45, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Ah, gotcha. Okay, I'll put your changes back. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 02:37, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Finally, a reliable source about the ship in the 100% ending being Sylux

Eurogamer released an interview today with series producer Kensuke Tanabe about the future of the Prime series, and Tanabe confirms the Sylux bit. According to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/Sources, Eurogamer is considered a reliable source for video game articles, so if anyone would like to add that in, feel free. I'd do it, but it's been so many years since I edited Wikipedia articles that I had enough trouble just remembering how to add links for this note on the talk page, so I don't feel comfortable doing it myself. Arrowned (talk) 19:49, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Here is also a source from IGN that goes into greater detail. "He’s actually chasing after Samus, and that’s where that game ends," Tanabe said. "There’s still more I want to build around the story of Sylux and Samus. There’s something going on between them. I want to make a game that touches upon [it].". Finally, closure after seven years! --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  22:29, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Plot summary edits by anon IP

Since 27 July, an anon IP 165.112.97.43 (talk) have made edits to the plot summary (which becomes an not-well-written version as opposed to a more stabled one as the result of this), all without explaination. I restored most of the plot summary (using one of the previous versions) for this issue recently, and I told an anon IP once or twice that he should discuss his changes here. – // Hounder4 // 11:19, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

...and it appears that this anon user went IP hopping (as 98.17.92.80 (talk)) and is not interested in discussing his changes. – // Hounder4 //

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Reference 5

Isn't the quote in reference 5 from the first Metroid Prime, and not this one? Glades12 (talk) 13:25, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

You are correct. I have updated it. Thanks for the heads up. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  14:26, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Misinterpreted plot

The "Setting" section seemingly misinterprets this game's plot twice:

1. It states that Samus' actions "allowed the Galactic Federation to confiscate and replicate [the Space Pirates'] Phazon armaments." Nothing in the games clearly supports that the Federation did anything with the Pirates' weapons, only that they collected Phazon itself (to use for other things).
2. According to the summary, the Pirates "turned to Dark Samus, Samus's sinister doppelgänger, for aid" and "Dark Samus strengthened the Space Pirates' forces, while also slowly indoctrinating them into mindless servants." The log entries "Stowaway" and "First Disciples" (the latter of which is ironically cited here) tell a different story: that a crew (not all) of Pirates accidentally got Dark Samus on their spaceship while hastily collecting Phazon, and were later quickly corrupted by them there, even as they tried to stop her.

The section sounds like it was written by someone who couldn't complete their logbook, and had to fill in the gaps themselves. Glades12 (talk) 14:37, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

The issue in item 2 has been rectified based on the source given. Item 1 has also been changed to reflect an in-game source about the PED and to eliminate any speculative theories. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  15:37, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Genre

I see that there was discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games/Archive_104#FPS_vs_First_person_action_adventure regarding this 10 (!) years ago, but despite people coming to their own conclusion, there was no source to back up the conclusion of the gameplay genre. The cited manual says nothing and we'd need third party-citations regardless. I've tagged the article in regards to this as several of the Metroid articles claim to fit a specific genre, but then nobody seemed to actually find a source beyond game rankings site to back this up. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

There are some sources that out-right call it a first person shooter.[1][2][3]. The IGN page for the game calls it an action adventure game,[4] while the Gamestop page calls it an action game through a first person perspective.[5] Destructoid and Nintendo World Report also seemed to acknowledge both genres in their review of the game.[6][7]. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  14:24, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I think we need to toss that in some case. I'd lean towards the genres that get the most mention per WP:WEIGHT and if some go more into discussion about the hybridity of the genre, that would probably benefit as well. Andrzejbanas (talk) 08:31, 15 August 2024 (UTC)