Talk:Mary Two-Axe Earley

Mohawk or Canadian

@Alanna the Brave: since you are the most recent editor, could you clarify why both the infobox and the lead say she is Mohawk and not Canadian? I feel like I don't understand some sort of policy on this since I've seen things like this recently on other articles about indigenous peoples, but shouldn't it say something along the lines of "Mary Two-Axe Earley was a Canadian women's rights activist from the Mohawk reserve of Kahnawake." instead of saying she was Mohawk who just happened to live in Canada? (By the way, I know you didn't originally put that but I still am wondering if you know why it says that) Sixula (talk) 19:09, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

@Sixula: that's a good question. I don't think Wikipedia has any clear policy around this, so I can only give you my own reasoning: my current assumption is that we can't assume Two-Axe Earley identified herself as Canadian -- or that she had Canadian citizenship. I'm not Indigenous, but I know First Nations people have had a long, complex relationship with Canada and "citizenship" as a whole. Up until the 1960s, First Nations people were not allowed to vote in elections unless they gave up their Indian status. I've also read that some Indigenous people (on both sides of the Canada/U.S. border) have historically chosen to forego official Canadian/American identities and instead identify themselves primarily though their Indigenous community (e.g. Mohawk). This is why I chose not to replace "Mohawk" with "Canadian". Your question does make me want to find better confirmation, however, so I'll try to do some more research -- I may reach out to WP Indigenous peoples of North America for guidance on this one. Alanna the Brave (talk) 19:54, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

@Alanna the Brave: Great. Nationality and citizenship is generally a very touchy subject; my person preference is something like Mohawk-Canadian for the lead and Canadian for the nationality in the infobox, but I think WP Indigenous peoples of North America will be a much better defining choice. Maybe they could open an RfC because this subject keeps on coming up with these type of people (Catalan politicans come to mind) and the only (fairly) defining point is an RfC which concretely sets out the policy. Sixula (talk) 21:45, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

For anyone interested in my subsequent query on this topic at WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America, I'm linking to the discussion here. Alanna the Brave (talk) 13:18, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Mary Two-Axe Earley/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: BennyOnTheLoose (talk · contribs) 22:37, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Happy to discuss, or to be challenged on, any of my review comments. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:37, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

• Copyvio and plagiarism check

• 42% match found on Earwig's Copyvio Detector. This is due to direct attributed quotes, names (e.g. of organisations or conferences), or common phrases, and despite the relatively high percentage match, I don't think there is any issue here. I also checked the other four matches found, with the same outcome.

• Images

• Fair use picture of Mary Two-Axe Earley has appropriate rationale. (I did a Google images search and no freely-licenced result was found.)
• Kahnawake picture is public domain.
• Captions seem fine.

• Infobox

• Years active starts with 1968 - but 1968 is not in the article body. Should it be 1966 or 1967?

I've changed it to 1967 (I think that's the earliest confirmed activism in the article, when she founded Equal Rights for Indian Women). Alanna the Brave (talk) 12:27, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

• Early life

• "was a Mohawk" is in the lead and reflected in the infobox, whereas this section doesn't explicitly state it. Is there enough already here (e.g. place of birth) to cover this?

I think the info included should be enough to make it clear: her father was Mohawk, and she was born/grew up on a Mohawk reserve. I'd say most other biographical articles use the same contextual info to communicate nationality/culture. Alanna the Brave (talk) 12:27, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

• Background

• Victorian era could be wikilinked.
• (I wasn't sure about the phrase "busy living a happy life", but looking at several sources it does seem reasonable.)

I've linked "Victorian-era" and removed the word "busy" (I think that's less awkward-sounding). Alanna the Brave (talk) 12:27, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

• Fight for change

• (Canada's History source is available on EBSCO Host, verified.)
• Optional: Consider rewording the start of one of the paragraphs starting "In 1969..." / "In 1974..." so there aren't two consecutive paragraphs with a similar opening.

Reworded! I always struggle with this. Alanna the Brave (talk) 12:27, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

• Aftermath

• Looks fine.

• Awards and honours

• Optional: Consider rewording the start of one of the paragraphs starting "In 1979..." / "In 1990..." so there aren't two consecutive paragraphs with a similar opening.
• "received the inaugural Governor General's Persons Case Award" is a wording that makes it read to me as though she was the only recipient, but I believe (from the sources and wikilinked article) that there may have been other awardees at the same time.

I've reworded one of the paragraphs and removed the word "inaugural". Alanna the Brave (talk) 12:27, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

• Death

• "Two-Axe Earley lived at Kahnawake for the rest of her life" - I think the source says this was from 1969 until her death, might be worth mentioning a date here as the reference to moving back in 1969 is a few paragraphs earlier in the article, and there are events covered after that.

Fair point -- I've adjusted it to "Two-Axe Earley continued living at Kahnawake for the rest of her life". Is that clearer? Alanna the Brave (talk) 12:27, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

• References

• All seem to be reliable sources, appropriately cited.

• Further reading

• Looks fine.

• External links

• Seem fine.

• Lead

• Re: the International Women’s Year conference, The article body has "receiving national and international attention" whilst the lead has " the media's attention" - I think these are a bit different, and suggest using either term (or a new one) in both places.
• Consider wikilinking "band council" here and in the article body. (Is Band government appropriate?)

I've adjusted the "attention" sentence in the lead for consistency, and I've linked "band council" (Band government does look appropriate). Alanna the Brave (talk) 12:27, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Alanna the Brave, thanks for all your work on this interesting article. I only have some fairly minor comments above, very happy to discuss any of these. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 09:16, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

@BennyOnTheLoose: Thanks for the review! Your comments are very sensible, and I think I've finished addressing the issues you've raised. Let me know if you think anything else still needs work. Alanna the Brave (talk) 12:27, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Alanna the Brave. I'm happy to pass this for GA now. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:55, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

not all

she still wouldn't be allowed to live in Kahnawake with her non-Kahnawake husband. By Kahnawake rule, not fed gov. --2607:FEA8:D5DF:1AF0:5550:8798:C27E:2C8 (talk) 11:45, 28 June 2021 (UTC)