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Latest comment: 2 years ago12 comments5 people in discussion
For reasons that are not quite clear to me we apparently now are to hide this person's original name. Is that per hiers own request or are we just donning an heroic DQ Protection Squad jacket anyway? I've known many trans people. Most of them are proud of what they've become and from whence they've come and would absolutely not want us to censure any part of a former or current name of theirs.
The benefit, nonetheless, with this recent adamant repeated change to the article is that it now reads hilarious: Girl did this ... Girl did that. That part of it, I really love. Wikipedia-unique! Fabulistic and gorgelulious! Bravo/a! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:46, 11 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
@SergeWoodzing: it is neither hiding nor censorship, but follows the guideline. For individuals who have used two names in connection with different gender identities, pre- and post-transition, the MOS:GENDERID guideline calls for including their birthname or earlier name in the article when they were already prominent enough under the earlier name for notability: Caitlyn Jenner (Olympic medalist); Jan Morris (conquered Everest with Hillary); Wendy Carlos (groundbreaking musician). When they were not known under their former name (Laverne Cox, Jamison Green, Christine Jorgensen) then it is generally not listed in the article. And as far as amusing oneself with someone's name, I wonder how Mylène Flicka and Jim Grabb would feel about that? Mathglot (talk) 19:13, 8 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
Surely we are choosing not to mention a name that is well known elsewhere (albeit well-known only as Ms. Girl's original name), not obliged by guideline to omit it?
Is that (1.) a service to our readers? To Ms. Girl? To you? To whom?
Cox, Flicka and Grabb did not choose/invent those names. Girl did. I choose to see a good sense of humor in that. Betcha anything Ms. Girl woulld agree. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 10:19, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
That this person’s legal/birth name just appeared on a ballot (in California, no less), is listed by the FEC as G. “Maebe A Girl” Pudlo, and will advance to the general election in November under said name suggests the relevance and notability of the birth/legal name here. MannyJacquiao (talk) 15:42, 8 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
I agree. Makes little sense to remove it in the article when it's all over reliable sources writing about the election, including the LA Times. [1]natemup (talk) 17:18, 28 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
Per MOS:DEADNAME, we aren't supposed to include the deadname of any transgender individual unless they were notable under said name, and as said in the guideline itself, this applies even if reliable sourcing exists, so the contention on the coverage thereof isn't really relevant. The subject wasn't notable under her deadname. ser!(chat to me - see my edits)22:34, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply
The fact is that they are notable *now* under said name, given the current coverage. I would support including the full name with the new name in quotes, as seen above and in reliable sources (i.e., not the dead name by itself). natemup (talk) 12:47, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply
I agree that the original name should be included now, for reasons given above. It has become noteworthy. The ballot and the FEC listing prove that, at least as pertains to the surname, and they should suffice as sources. I do not agree with any suggestion to change the article's first words to George "Maebe A. Girl" Pudlo unless the article is moved to that specific name form. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:38, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply
