Talk:Lovin on Me

Phrasal verb

I didn't move this article to Lovin on Me, as, much like Take On Me, in this case I don't believe "on" is being used as a preposition but rather as part of a phrasal verb ("lovin on"), so it doesn't follow the mid-title decapitalisation of prepositions per MOS:CT. Ss112 16:17, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Lovin on Me fails the noun shift test for "on" to be a particle. Unlike the phrase "take me on", which not only works but is the second line of the chorus, the phrase "lovin me on" does not work. Therefore "on" is a preposition. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 19:03, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 24 November 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. There is consensus here that "on" is being used as a preposition rather than a phrasal verb, and under MOS:CAPS/MOS:TITLECAPS short prepositions are not capitalized. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 08:48, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

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Lovin On Me → Lovin on Me – per MOS:CAPS as the word "on" is a preposition. 23.134.91.238 (talk) 06:34, 17 November 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). 162 etc. (talk) 02:29, 24 November 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Lightoil (talk) 20:16, 1 December 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans (talk) 05:09, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

• • No, it isn't being used as a preposition in this case. I already addressed this at Talk:Lovin On Me, in this case "On" is part of the phrasal verb "Lovin On", like Take On Me. Ss112 07:26, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

    Ss112, but yet "Don't Forget to Pray" was moved from Don't Forget To Pray although it kind of look the same as this matter to me. I stand to be corrected. dxneo (talk) 16:37, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

    The "to" in that is a preposition, not a particle in a phrasal verb. The "Lovin [o|O]n" case, however, is debatable. "Lovin[g] on" isn't a unitary phrase with a meaning separate from "loving" + "on"; "loving" without "on" is regularly used in the exact same romatico-sexual sense meant here. "Take on", by contrast, has a variety of special meanings such as 'rise to a challenge' and 'oppose or fight' which are not derivable from the separate meanings of the verb take and of the preposition on (the borderline case with that one would be "take on an important role", "take on a new apprentice" and similar constructions refering to acquisition; these come from taking someone or something on board a vessel, so that sense at least originated prepositionally).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  00:31, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

    @Ss112: Lovin on Me fails the noun shift test for "on" to be a particle. Unlike the phrase "take me on", which not only works but is the second line of the chorus, the phrase "lovin me on" does not work. Therefore "on" is a preposition. --Ahecht (TALK
    PAGE) 21:14, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

    @Dxneo and Ahecht: I have all pings turned off, so I only noticed this now. I am not a grammar expert and I thought it was a comparable case. If it's not, then I don't care if it's moved. To me, saying all of this is less important than the fact that the IP editor who requested the move was clearly not aware that words that can be used as prepositions are not always used as prepositions. Ss112 07:01, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

    @Ss112: And you gathered all of this from a simple move request, how? Or were you just coping by pulling redundant assumptions on a random IP editor from thin air, while simultaneously wanting to lessen the 'importance' of their rather straightforward move request. Because their correction that "on" is a preposition still stands, and was reaffirmed to you verbatim by @Ahecht. --BlizzySway (talk) 08:07, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

    @BlizzySway: I haven't disputed what Ahecht said or that "on" is a preposition in this case. Besides, gathered all of what? It was one statement about the particularity of their wording after the fact. "Cope"? Lmao. It's not that deep bro—I accepted that I was mistaken in this instance weeks ago. I even basically said "go ahead and move the page". But clearly this isn't as straightforward a move request as you seem to think, considering there are two oppose votes (one from an experienced editor) below me even after all of this has been said. Ss112 17:27, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

    It’s missing an apostrophe on ‘Lovin’ either way. 96.43.189.229 (talk) 13:53, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

    We don't add apostrophes to "correct" the grammar of titles if they are not in the original title. Same with how we didn't "correct" the title of Olivia Rodrigo's Drivers License (song). Ss112 14:45, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per above discussion and the common name used by almost all of the page sources. Randy Kryn (talk) 09:24, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support per Ahecht. It appears to be a preposition. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:19, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nominator and Ahecht. —⁠ Οἶδα (talk) 13:44, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting for policy based !votes Reading Beans (talk) 05:09, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose If you look on both Jack Harlow’s Spotify and Apple Music then you can see the O in on is capital so I see no reason why it should be changed. 06:13, 14 December 2023 (UTC) 96.43.189.229 (talk)

Jack Harlow’s Spotify and Apple Music are not independent reliable sources, and MOS:CT does not suggest to look at them. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:37, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Either way if it were to be punctuated completely it would be ‘Lovin’ on Me’ so it also misses the apostrophe since ‘Lovin’ is of course a shortening of the word ‘Loving’ therefore I oppose it. The label clearly published it like that. I’m not an experienced editor but to me ‘Lovin on Me’ is missing an apostrophe.96.43.189.229 (talk) 21:51, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support and SNOW close Phrasal verb means a phrase that combines a verb with a preposition or adverb or both and that functions as a verb whose meaning is different from the combined meanings of the individual words [1] e.g. take on, hit on, and turn on. Love on is not a phrasal verb as its meaning is exactly the same as the combined meanings of the individual words c.f. Lovin' on You, Livin' on a Prayer, and Rain on Me. Redthreadhx (talk) 03:07, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

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