Talk:List of songs in Rock Band 2

Formatting suggestions

Might want to take a gander at the List of songs in Rock Band article. Formatting can use some work, and sort by song title. I can't get to these at the moment, but nice to see a confirmed list. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 18:28, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps we could sort the songs by artist as opposed to song name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MaulYoda (talk • Contribs) 21:34, 31 July 2008

Merger proposal (old)

I suggest that the two Rock Band song pages be merged into a list of songs in Rock Band [series]. Especially since the E3 conference said Rock Band songs can be exported to Rock Band 2.Phoenix muffin (talk) 22:38, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

But not all the songs (they specifically said "most" likely to licensing issues). Additionally, those that only have RB1 will not care about RB2 tracks. It makes sense to keep these all separate. --MASEM 22:46, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

They are two distinct games, with two distinct soundtracks. Purchasing RB2 does not automatically guarantee ownership of RB1 content. A section describing the Export feature and linking back to the original soundtrack will be more than sufficient. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 23:01, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I only suggest it because Harmonix keeps saying how Rock Band is a platform, and given that its just soundtrack-exclusive articles, I don't think it's an unreasonable course of action. Phoenixmuffin (talk) 23:55, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Agreeing with TRTX, Rock Band and Rock Band 2 are distinct games and the disc import feature will (assumedly) only be available on the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions since they are the ones that come standard with hard drives capable of holding that much data. The Wii and PS2 versions would only have the songs featured on the respective discs. Also taking notice of the Guitar Hero pages, each game has its own page for the songlists. I think it makes sense to keep the on-disc listings for Rock Band and Rock Band 2 separate while keeping the downloads on a separate page since they will be available in both games. --ZephyronALPHA (talk) 00:03, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

My largest issue with merging is size. These song lists are long and making one that's doubly long when there's an easy way to keep them separate doesn't make much sense to me. Additionally, they are two different games and on two platforms the song lists are completely independent. Oren0 (talk) 00:50, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

The consensus has been each game gets its own setlist article. It's been that way for GH since the first game and has continued on through GH: Aerosmith. Rock Band overall could is described as a platform, but that doesn't stop the fact that it's still two seperate titles (Rock Band and Rock Band 2). These songs are not in Rock Band 2. Just like the DLC songs. 66.41.215.226 (talk) 00:56, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Oppose - Oppose this merger, keep the articles about the DLC for each v ersion of the game with a note that some of it can be exported. Chrislk02 ^{Chris Kreider} 02:06, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Oppose - Agree with TRTX. Not much more needs to be said. FuzionZero (talk) 02:57, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

List of songs available for the Rock Band platform

That should be soundtracks of every available song available for Rock Band 2. Including the export possibilities, DLC, and disc. To reduce clutter and make the information on hand. It is possible that people own every song possible on the RB2 and they shouldn't have to look in three places.

75.73.95.148 (talk) 04:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

That would be too long and unmaintainable. As with the previous suggestion, not everyone is going to have the opportunity as the 360/PS3 to use all those songs. --MASEM 04:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

This is the same suggestion as above. I don't agree with it there and I don't agree with it here. Two seperate games, two seperate song lists. 163.231.6.88 (talk) 17:46, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

All DLC tracks will be playable on Rock Band 2, so they don't need to be included in this list. The Rock Band 1 track list page can have notations on songs that can be exported to Rock Band 2 on the 360 and PS3 versions. Phoenixmuffin (talk) 23:06, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I think the better route is to mention the export feature in THIS article, and only note those songs which are not available through this. If the reader wishes to find more information about what's on RB1, then they can follow a "see also" type link to that article. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 16:01, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe it will be easier or less space-consuming, but I wouldn't say better. I think including a list of songs that can't be exported would be too negative. Yes to mentioning the export feature in this article, though. The reader will already have to have a copy of RB1 (or buy a copy) for the extra songs, so why not link them to the RB1 song list anyway?Phoenixmuffin (talk) 20:56, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

That is what was suggested. Explain the export feature, link to that article, but then mention that not every song can be exported. Assuming it is only a few (speculation has been it is less than 5) then it should be no problem to list. Rowdyoctopus (talk) 18:29, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

A complete list and a DLC list could be possible. Arrangement by difficulties would be better for getting information about a song.75.73.95.148 (talk) 18:49, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Confirmed Songs Removed

Why have songs Confirmed to be on the disc such as Testify and Shackler's Revenge. and the Bonus song been removed? 81.107.162.141 (talk) 17:36, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Vandals. This has been fixed. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 19:39, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Semi-protection

Note that I have semi-protected this page for 2 weeks due to IP vandalism. Oren0 (talk) 16:54, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Difficulties for the songs

I have been going to the various Rock Band pages that could be affected by this. Rock Band 2 has a new system for ranking difficulty. Based on this pic (which I admit is not a reliable source) http://i33.tinypic.com/28jjy8x.jpg it looks like there are 7 "tiers" which appears to be as follows:

0 dots - Tier 1
1 dot - Tier 2
2 dots - Tier 3
3 dots - Tier 4
4 dots - Tier 5
5 dots - Tier 6
5 red dots - Tier 7

The newest Rock Band 2 blog is up, and it also concerns difficulties. http://www.rockband.com/rockers_blog_entry/hmxspraynwipe/408400 It lists the easiest and hardest song for each instrument. Some of which are pictured in that picture I provided above. They also fit in the system I theorized. Bob Dylan is hardest vocals, has 5 red dots for vocals. The Muffs is easiest vocals, has no dots on vocals. Dream Theater is hardest bass and drums, has 5 red dots on bass and drums. The blog also says there will be a full release of the RB2 soundtrack difficulties soon, which will either confirm my proposed system, or over turn it.

I realize there is not much we can do with this now, but it would be good to start brainstorming and coming up with ideas on how to handle the new difficulties.

If we want this similar to other tables in Rock Band series of pages, it might be important to note that with the new difficulties, the page List of downloadable songs for the Rock Band series contains songs with two sets of difficulties, one for RB1 and one for RB2. I posted a similar thing to this on that talk page but focused on how to address that for that page. I guess my point is that while the RB1 soundtrack page has difficulties, and this page very well could have difficulties, that currently does not seem to be an option for the DLC page. Rowdyoctopus (talk) 19:04, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Good ole HMX can never make it easy can they. ;) RB1 and RB2 can be listed as is in-game. No further explanation than RB1 is from 1-9 and RB2 is from 1-7.

As far as what we can do with DLC, let's wait and see how this is presented in the RB Music Store, as songs in the store will have to account for which RB people are playing. I have a feeling that HMX may end up releasing a patch of some kind for RB1, as the difficulties in RB1 are simply presented in list format and could easily be reorganized. (According to what people have hacked, song difficulty isn't a 1-9 value but rather a rating, so it's likely they could tweak RB1 to alter to create 7 ranges instead of 9).

Whatever ends up happening, it's definately going to be chaotic, and will likely be a royal pain in the butt to fix. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 15:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I should probably put this up: http://xbox360.gamespy.com/xbox-360/rock-band-2-special-edition-/901371p1.html

All tierings for Guitar, Vocals and Drums. Also, The Trees Vault Edition (see next issue) and Ace of Spades '08? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.248.218.78 (talk) 04:41, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

My suggestion for the song tiers is to go buy the game system: we need to create graphics that show 5 "spots", the easiest having all open circles, the second-hardest having five filled circles, and the last with 5 stars instead of circles, along with a key (we could use color, but color should not be the only distinguishing feature). These can be relatively small (under 50 px across) to make it all fit nicely. Alternate text will be needed for screen readers and of course, we'll need to use the {{sort}} template for sorting of those. --MASEM 06:23, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

• I strongly favor not using "Tier 1" - "Tier 7"; having 0 dots be "tier 1" is incredibly confusing, and having "5+" or "red five" be "tier 7" is even worse. I propose Masem's solution of using graphics (would be very simple, and presumably hidden tags could still be used to assign them a 1-7 or 0-6 integer rating for table sorting purposes?), or moving to "Tier 0" for the lowest tier and "Tier 5+" for the highest. Of all of the naming options available for the 5 red dots, I think any solution that incorporates "5" is the easiest to understand, as the game is presenting it as 5 icons. beatmania IIDX and DDR both have "flashing" versions of an existing number that marks them as more difficult, so this isn't that unusual. I just think "tier 7" is far too confusing. Thoughts? Pksage (talk) 13:19, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

• • I realize we can also do with this standard HTML entities via unicode (making the page faster):

0 marks	○○○○○
1 mark	●○○○○
2 marks	●●○○○
3 marks	●●●○○
4 marks	●●●●○
5 marks	●●●●●
5+ marks	♥♥♥♥♥

• • Please shout if you aren't seeing small filled and empty circles and hearts in the above table; if not, we'll have to go with graphics. --MASEM 13:30, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I see them, but I'm wondering if just using the numeric value isn't easier. If we remove "Tier" from the listing I feel the numbers provide a much quicker way of visualizing the information. I have some concerns for how it'll look to have 5 sets of dots running acorss the width of a table. (We'd also have to enforce no-wrap, which could cause problems on different resolutions)

Example:

Song title	Artist	Band	Guitar	Drums	Vocals	Bass
Sample Song	Sample Artist	♥♥♥♥♥	♥♥♥♥♥	♥♥♥♥♥	♥♥♥♥♥	♥♥♥♥♥

It'd also require a boatload of spanning to make sure they sort properly I believe. Which would mean we have to put the numeric value in there on top of the dots anyway. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 14:19, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Just to add, I am not positive, but I believe they are going with a "deck of cards" theme. The "dots" are actually spades and then the last difficulty is 5 red hearts. Not sure if they are doing anything with clubs or diamonds. Rowdyoctopus (talk) 19:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

(to TRTX) The basic structure can be put in a template, thus avoiding "us" having to input all the no-wraps and the like. --MASEM 19:44, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I think it should be noted that the game also organizes the songs in seven separate tiers (warmup to impossible) on the quick play screen, so it's not like these dots are the only way of sorting it. There are seven tiers in the game, regardless of the moderately confusing way of displaying it that Harmonix has chosen. --MarcK 19:54, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Even if the display is kept all-text, numbering the tiers 0-6 (or 0-5+) would be much more in keeping with the game system. The game very quickly teaches you to think of difficulty as starting with zero. -98.216.106.210 (talk) 18:47, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

The Trees (Vault Edition)?

http://media.gwn.com/preview_mp/155071792648ac405f9eae8.JPG Fuelie79 (talk) 17:40, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Difficulty Rankings

The difficulty rankings will be up soon, we just have to watch out of them. The first and last difficulty rankings have been confirmed but I think we should wait until all of them are confirmed.

http://consolehero.com/2008/08/21/rock-band-2-final-songs-confirmed/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by UltimateSin01 (talk • contribs) 13:16, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

If someone wants to the guitar difficulties are up from Gamespy

http://au.xbox360.gamespy.com/xbox-360/rock-band-2-special-edition-/901371p1.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by UltimateSin01 (talk • contribs) 23:23, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for finding these! Definately will be helpful (though there's currently no Bass or full Band difficulties available. Definately looks like they're going with the 7 tierd structure this time. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 12:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Songs common to Guitar Hero: World Tour and Rock Band 2

There are nine songs that are in both Guitar Hero: World Tour and Rock band 2. I think it is significant enough to mention but I leave it to you all.

• "American Woman" The Guess Who
• "Everlong" Foo Fighters
• "Eye of the Tiger" Survivor
• "Feel the Pain" Dinosaur Jr.
• "Float On" Modest Mouse
• "Go Your Own Way" Fleetwood Mac
• "Lazy Eye" Silversun Pickups
• "Livin' on a Prayer" Bon Jovi
• "One Way or Another" Blondie

--199.213.199.33 (talk) 21:51, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

• There were a number of songs common to Guitar Hero III and the original Rock Band as well (Sabotage, When You Were Young, Cherub Rock, etc.) and we didn't mention those, nevermind all the Rock Band DLC that are also in GH3 (3's & 7's, Kool Thing, The Number of the Beast). I think it's fine as it is. --MarcK 23:02, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
• I can't see any reason to list these songs out. It seems like one of those situations where categories start getting too specific ("French male opera singers born in 1950")... -- TRTX ^{T / C} 17:56, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

More Tiers

Here's a link for all of the tiers from IGN. They go by 12's.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/902/902390p1.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.129.110.219 (talk) 23:44, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately these are listed from 1-84 instead of by tier. We can't really do much with the middle tiers (we can safely assume a few tier 1 and tier 7 songs) but otherwise there's really no way of knowing what the cutoffs are for the different levels. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 17:55, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

You're right, this really doesn't give tiers, though I've left the IGN article as a reference. --MASEM 18:08, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

It lists the songs from easiest to hardest. Every 12 would be the next ranking up. Or is that too WP:OR? Rowdyoctopus (talk) 18:10, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

It's OR to assume that just because guitar, drums, and vocals fall into 12-song tiers, that band and bass will be the same, as we don't have a typical career mode approach like we could have assumed if it was Rock Band. It probably is 12 songs per tier there as well, but best wait for more info. --MASEM 18:14, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I understand, but I guess my question is: why would they sort them any different? There is no solo career for anything, so why even put them neatly into 12 per ranking anyway? Not a big deal though, we will know once the game is out. Rowdyoctopus (talk) 14:54, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, if you take a good look at the difficulty ranking for guitar, drums and vocals in the article, you can clearly see that the songs are listed exactly the same as in the earlier revealed ranking article by GameSpy, which had the setlist divided into seven tiers with 12 songs in each. A Powerful Weakness (talk) 18:32, 28 August 2008 (UTC)A Powerful Weakness

It's still speculation to assume where the splits are. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 18:51, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: RB1/RB2 compatibility

I was rereading sources, and I realized that the title update allowing for the export of songs from RB1 is actually described (by HMX) as "for use in future Rock Band titles". It sounds like we should actually be describing the export feature in RB1's main article vs. RB2's setlist. Otherwise we potentially have to include info on exported songs in each future RB game. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 12:31, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

"Where'd You Go?" and "Uncontrollable Urge" are re-records?

Can somebody confirm if the following songs were re-records?

• "Ace of Spades '08" - The in-game album I think still points towards the original Ace of Spades album and not anything new.
• "Where'd You Go?" - The album in-game is labeled as "Rock Band ..." and the rest isn't fully visible.
• "Uncontrollable Urge" - Album is "Devo Re-Rec" which matches up with the label on the two Devo DLC tracks.

There's a footnote used in List of downloadable songs for the Rock Band series that denotes a re-record if it was done specifically for RB. We should probably apply those here as well for consistency, which is why I'm asking. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 14:19, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I can't speak for the other two, but "Ace of Spades '08" doesn't point to the original album in the game - it points to their most recent album, Motörizer, despite not being on the album at all as far as I know. That I know was a re-recording regardless. --GVOLTT ^{How's my editing?}\_{My contribs} 05:46, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I'll chime in for the other two, then. The Bosstones song certainly doesn't sound like the original one or the rerecording for the Clueless soundtrack, specifically the solo at the end (It's difficult to say this could be used as proof of a rerecord, though). Also, if you sort by band and have either or both of the other two Devo rerecords, you'll see it will have Uncontrollable Urge under the same album 'Devo Re-Records' (or whatever it's called, I don't remember the name but I know they're all under it).76.182.10.100 (talk) 21:16, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Further note: I'm pretty confident Conventional Lover is a re-record as well (as that's what it's being sold as on iTunes). Also, we might want to synchronize the footnotes for both the RB2 and DLC tables; that is, have 'a' be re-record on both rather than 'a' on here and 'c' on DLC. That's something I should probably bring up over there, but I'm here now, so.76.182.10.100 (talk) 04:40, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Well if we want to comment on songs that have been modified, Spirit in the Sky's ending is very different from the original; the solo loops back around and then there's the fade out after the solo. EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:49, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Carry on My Wayward Son is a remake, too. Completely different from the version in Guitar Hero 2.66.191.89.135 (talk) 21:25, 11 May 2009 (UTC)goat

"Carry on Wayward Son" was a cover in GH2. The version in RB2 is the original artist recording. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 01:48, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

← The only songs that should be marked as re-records are those specifically noted in game (Devo, Bosstones, Motorhead, Buffet). Otherwise we're getting into WP:NOR territory. It's a similiar situation as to when people were attempting to denote radio edits. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 19:42, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

We've since dropped this footnote from other RB articles, which makes its presence here unneccesary. I've removed it. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 16:01, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Remove tiers?

The tiers were removed as per Talk consensus in the DLC article, and they've also been removed in the RB1 article. Are we planning on removing them here as well? I've added the official song list link to all three in prepraration. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 12:29, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't see any need to remove them, although I haven't read the discussion on the other pages. The only issue I see with the DLC page is that each game uses a different set of tiers, which might make the page too crowded, but since the RB2 songs cannot be used in RB1, that's not an issue here. PaulGS (talk) 03:39, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Here's the site that is commonly referred to - | Official Setlist. It actually has info for ALL songs in RB (across all available discs) and provides breakdowns of tier, genre, year, album, etc. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 12:22, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Useful list, although it only includes overall difficulty and doesn't separate it by instrument. PaulGS (talk) 03:41, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Clicking on a song title takes you to the info page. All five tiers are included there. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 03:44, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Which is far less useful than having a sortable table with all five tiers. PaulGS (talk) 04:14, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Read WP:ELYES for a better understanding of why the change is being proposed. There's an off Wiki site that provides a much more detailed breakdown than would be feasible in the article, which allows the Wiki page to focus on core content that would benefit a wider scale of readers. While specific instrument tiers are very helpful for RB owners, the overall song difficulty is sufficient for those who simply are reading the page for a better understanding the game...while also allowing us to provide a better spread of information (in-game genre, decade) for those readers. Including info simply because it's "useful" for RB owners is getting into WP:NPOV territory. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 05:07, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

What is this off wiki site that offers a more detailed breakdown? The Harmonix site is bulky and slow without providing instrument difficulties on the front page. It's very helpful to have a single page that lists all the instrument difficulties, especially when they're sortable. I've been visiting this page on an almost daily basis since Rock Band 2 came out relying on it to decide what difficulty to choose while playing online. It would take forever to look up all the songs in a 7 or 8 song playlist on the Harmonix site. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's been using this page as a vital tool for song selection. There's no reason not to have the difficulties on here, it wouldn't detract from the Neutrality of this article, since they're undisputable facts. As for crowding, its not like this the the main Rock Band page, its just a list page, it can easily handle the extra 4 columns.Wakamex (talk) 04:05, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

1. The off-wiki page is a Wikia page that is being planned. Look at the discussion going in List of downloadable songs in Rock Band for more information.

2. This is the RB2 article. All tiers are available on disc. No need for them here (at least not individual ones).

3. As far as the DLC page is concerned, it's been discussed to death. There is NO clean way to display both the RB1 and RB2 tiers without turning the page into a mess or abitrarily picking one tier over the other.

4. This is an encyclopedia article first, not a shopping guide. With the ability to access the complete tiers on an official source, we are now able to lessen the focus in this page to only that information which is useful for readers of ANY lifestyle. Just because a bunch of RB players need help making a shopping list doesn't mean the casual observer will want to stop in and sort through a ton of pointless tiers to get the core information.

You're not bringing anything new to the conversation, it's all be discussed over and over again in the Rock Band DLC talk page. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 05:17, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Lead paragraph

TRTX noted that the sentence on exported songs was meant to refer also to the AC/DC disc, but that isn't out yet, and when it's released (or maybe before, if there's information on it), that can be added to that sentence. I also think there should be a link to the RB1 songs somewhere at the top of the article, for ease of navigation, and because some people may think that since the RB1 songs can be used in RB2, they'd be listed here. PaulGS (talk) 21:22, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

There is information on it. A whole article even: AC/DC Live: Rock Band Track Pack. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 00:22, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Then go ahead and include both, as I did in my most recent edit. It doesn't have to be detailed, and shouldn't be, here, but something with links would particularly be useful. And you've provided no reason why my edit should be removed. PaulGS (talk) 03:38, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

New "Decade" column?

I see the decade has been added. I think this is better on the right side (where we'd also eventually add in-game genre). I'll start this change on the other two song lists as well if nobody has any issue. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 17:42, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. How are we going to handle the genre discrepancies? There are currently 3 I can think of off the top of my head. "Amazing Journey" by the Who and "Fortunate Son" by Creedence Clearwater Revival are both listed as 70's in the game when they were both released in 1969. The song by the band Machine Head, "Aesthetics of Hate" is listed as 80's when it was released in 2007. They are all DLC songs. After genres my next suggestion would be a column for master status. While there have been no cover songs in a long time, nothing has been said to indicate we will never see them again and RB1 as well as the DLC selection both have a significant amount of them. Rowdyoctopus (talk) 20:31, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I brought up in the Rock Band DLC article discussion that i think the songs should be listed by year since we have that infomration both in game and at www.rockband.com/music. It also dosen't make sense to me that the Guitar Hero articles can have year listings and the Rock Band ones have to use decades.DyloniusFunk (talk) 05:28, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

We go by what the game says, making sure this fact is clear at the topic. That's how we've dealt with mis-titlings and other errors in both GH and RB series. As for the location, the right side for decade makes sense (as opposed to left-leading year for GH, since that mimics the GH lists a bit better). The years-on-left is a artefact of a typical discography and for the GH lists made sense to add since there was no other ingame information as to year and it help give the reader a rough idea what decade spans we've seen. For RB, since they've done decade from day 1, it makes no sense to try to force years into this but leave as decades, but make no sense as a left-leading column. --MASEM 20:46, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Would this also be a good time to integrate the Bonus Songs into the main setlist? Unlike all previous games in this genre, there is no longer a seperation between the Bonus and Main sets. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 22:38, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I think that's appropriate - there's really no distinction in-game that we can make. --MASEM 23:05, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Should we have a footnote for songs that use an alternate edit?

I understand that Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia and not to have every tiny piece of trivia. I have also read over WP:NOT. However i feel thatt the purpose of these artices is to provide people with the most accurate information available about the Rock Band series. I know we have a footnote for songs that were redone for the game. However there are some songs that have been released using alernate edits. Some are obvious such as Ramblin' Man. You only need to watch a runthrough of the song on YouTube to tell that it is not the same version of the song featured on Brothers and Sisters. I also belive but have been unable to prove that the version of Round And Round is a differente version from the album due to differences i notice in the guitar solo. In both cases they are either slternate verisons of live verisons but i belive that this should be noted with proper sources as people looking to buy the game based on the information provided should know if it has the version of a song they know. It is not much different from TV DVD mentioning music removal on the packageing. I am wiling to try to find sources from the devs or other Reliable Sources. But i don't want to take the time if there is not concensous from other editors that this would be a worthwhile addition to the articlesDyloniusFunk (talk) 05:47, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

These changes are trivial in nature, and we can't use our own comparisons to make that point. Now, if a reliable source noted the cut of a certain song was terrible, that could be included, not exactly sure where, but that's what would be needed to state it. --MASEM 05:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

When you use the word "terrible" it says that you misunderstand what i am trying touggest. I don't suggest providing commentary on songs. I am suggesting useing something similar to what we use to note that songs like Ace Of Spades 08 are different from the version people know, in this case it being re-recorded specifically for the game. If someone reads the songlist of RB2 here and then buys it based on reading that one of thier favorite songs is in the game, then ends up annoyed because the version of the song is not the same as the one he has heard on redio or owns on disc, then i don't feel that we as editors have done our jobs properly.76.178.209.139 (talk) 07:07, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

a "Terrible version" was just an example. The key is that we as WP editors cannot list the distinction between the two cuts of the same song unless a separate source has noted it. "Ace of Spaces 08" is actually called that in the game, so we know that was a remix and can be stated. On the other hand, I know that "Green Grass and High Tides" is a thin cut of the longer work, but that statement cannot be made by us; someone else would have to state that. --MASEM 07:17, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

track list is incorrect

Several songs listed as available for Rock Band 2 do not exist anywhere in the game. Billy Idol's "White Wedding" is a good example. It is not in the list of default songs. It is not in the list of all songs when enabling the "cheat mode -- unlock all songs". There is no such song in the bonus 20 "DLC" songs available for download. And it cannot be purchased online as additional content.

It simply does not exist anywhere in the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.128.142.53 (talk) 01:18, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

White Wedding is certainly in the game, what version of the game are you playing? --MASEM (t) 04:00, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I'd be more curious as to what other songs the user thinks aren't in the game... -- TRTX ^{T / C} 13:12, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I have less than 50 tracks in my version of Wii Rockband 2 and tracks such as Bily Idol's are also missing in mine. However, the CD case does state there are over 80 tracks plus 20 available for download. I can see the downloadable songs when connected online but the remainder are missing completely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.39.206.200 (talk) 08:32, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Merger proposal

Moved here: Talk:Rock Band 2#Merger_proposal. T. H. McAllister (talk) 06:36, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Song Lengths

Hi there -

I'd like broach the possibility of inserting song lengths into the table of songs in the game. As a librarian who hosts video game tournaments, it's important for us to know how long the songs are, to ensure that everyone has a chance to play and to make sure people don't run up their scores unnecessarily. In my conversations with other people hosting programs of this nature, something that indicates the song length would be a welcome resource.

I started working on this, but had the information promptly deleted. I feel pretty strongly that this would be useful to a lot of people. If this isn't the place for such material, can someone suggest an alternative? Theanalogdivide (talk) 21:34, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

The information itself is little use for anyone but the player (songs, artists, and decades/genres are more to help demonstrate the breath of what the songlist is), and the length itself is original research as these are not given in the game and require you to calculate them. --MASEM (t) 22:13, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Nine songs that are probably bonus:

The nine songs that are listed out of order by band name listed after Pinball Wizard by The Who are as follows:

• Visions - Get Clean - Night Lies - Shoulder to the Plow - Welcome to the Neighborhood - A Jagged Gorgeous Winter - Conventional Lover - Supreme Girl - Rob the Prez-O-Dent

These ones also happen to be in the "Harmonix Showcase" playlist, which might also imply the possibility of them being the bonus songs. Of course, it probably takes more than just this to confirm it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mechamind90 (talk • contribs) 08:15, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

List incomplete

I know very well that Beck's "E-Pro" is featured on this game, why has it been omitted as well as a few others? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.42.24 (talk) 15:30, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

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