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Notability
editWhile this is a very impressive effort, I am concerned that the topic isn't notable; reviewing all of the sources I don't find any that establish notability; see the source assessment table. Gricharduk, do you have any additional sources that might contain significant coverage? BilledMammal (talk) 09:33, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
- So, first of all, thank you very much BilledMammal for assessing the article and for the effort you put into the assessment table below. I have never seen that before and it's really good. To be honest, when I stumbled across the Hood article, I was a bit shocked - no name, birth date, etc. So, I thought I would research him and expand the article. The problem with that approach is that, until you have completed the research, you don't know if the person is going to be notable or not! Furthermore, I do agree with you; he isn't notable at the moment. I was hoping someone might write a book on the Olympic team now they know who he is (and the other members of the team). His amateur wrestling career is probably more notable than the rugby union. Most of the 1900 British rugby union team have stubs. To answer your question, there is a book on Rosslyn Park that does have some details on his rugby career but I can only find a copy in the British Library and I don't live in London unfortunately. I was thinking we could combine all of these stub players bios into the Rugby union at the 1900 Summer Olympics article as very few seem to have done anythng notable other than one game in Paris. Gricharduk (talk) 10:11, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
To answer your question, there is a book on Rosslyn Park that does have some details on his rugby career but I can only find a copy in the British Library and I don't live in London unfortunately
Do you have the name of the book? It's possible someone at WP:Resource requests can help.- It is Hoyer-Millar, Charles Christian (1929). Fifty years of Rosslyn Park. London: Wyman & Sons. OCLC 60701784. British Library 002493178. It is available from some booksellers on eBay but I am not that keen (obviously) to pay for it. Gricharduk (talk) 04:07, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
- I've requested the source; hopefully it has coverage. BilledMammal (talk) 02:45, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for making the request. Gricharduk (talk) 00:51, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
- I've requested the source; hopefully it has coverage. BilledMammal (talk) 02:45, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- It is Hoyer-Millar, Charles Christian (1929). Fifty years of Rosslyn Park. London: Wyman & Sons. OCLC 60701784. British Library 002493178. It is available from some booksellers on eBay but I am not that keen (obviously) to pay for it. Gricharduk (talk) 04:07, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
I was thinking we could combine all of these stub players bios into the Rugby union at the 1900 Summer Olympics article as very few seem to have done anythng notable other than one game in Paris
I agree; that would generally be a good idea. BilledMammal (talk) 01:46, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
Source assessment table:
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| Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| https://books.google.com.au/books?id=RRShAQAAQBAJ&pg=PAPG130&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false | 
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 Significant coverage of Landau, No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://books.google.com.au/books?id=VRMtAQAAMAAJ&pg=PAPA771&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false | Primary source
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no significant coverage - mention on a list
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✘ No |
| https://books.google.com.au/books?id=xF0rAwAAQBAJ&pg=PAPP147&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false |
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Significant coverage of his brother, William Wells Hood, No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://archive.org/details/1900olympicgames00mall/page/162/mode/2up |
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No significant coverage of Hood, only mentioned in a list of players as "L Hood"
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✘ No |
| https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015020212380&seq=874&q1=Hood |
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No significant coverage of Hood, only mentioned in a list of Taylor Bro's and Co employees
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✘ No |
| https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924104258136&seq=205 |
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His maternal grandfather is mentioned in a list; no mention of him
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✘ No |
| https://archive.org/details/b28053382/page/58/mode/2up | Consists of a letter from him, and a table of his physical measurements
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~ Letter might be significant coverage, although it doesn't focus on Leslie, but it lacks independence | ✘ No |
| https://www.alpinejournal.org.uk/Contents/Contents_1908_files/AJ%201908%20Vol%2024%20287-292%20AC%20Proceedings.pdf#page=3 | Club publication writing about its members
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Passing mention, only says that he and two others were balloted and elected members of the club
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✘ No |
| https://www.alpinejournal.org.uk/Contents/Contents_1948_files/AJ56%201948%20386-402%20In%20Memoriam.pdf#page=20 | Club publication writing about its members
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Significant (though not independent) coverage of his brother; only a passing mention of him, saying "His younger brother, Leslie Hood, was also a member of the Club (elected 1908) and died in 1932 (A.J. 44· 329)."
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✘ No |
| https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1243/JILE_PROC_1920_010_060_02?journalCode=jila |
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No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://archive.org/details/sim_the-lancet_1870-03-05_2427/page/362/mode/2up |
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Non-significant mention of the marriage of his parents, No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://archive.org/details/thelancet18982/page/n1337/mode/2up |
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Non-significant mention of the marriage of his sister, No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000687/19540114/065/0004 | Paid advertisement
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No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k423824s/f644.item |
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Game recap; considered WP:ROUTINE that doesn't contribute to notability per WP:NSPORTS. Only mention of Hood being "No, because Gautier sets off on a lightning sprint and reaches L. Hood 2 metres from the goal."
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✘ No |
| https://issuu.com/stpetersyorkalumni/docs/10-85_apr_1890/10 | School magazine
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? | Passing mention in a list of team members
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✘ No |
| https://issuu.com/stpetersyorkalumni/docs/12-113_dec_1894/4 | School magazine
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? | Game recap; considered WP:ROUTINE that doesn't contribute to notability per WP:NSPORTS. Not significant coverage, with only a passing mention in the recap ("Hood also got a try, which C. Whincup converted") and a mention in a list of players
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✘ No |
| https://issuu.com/stpetersyorkalumni/docs/12-114_jan_1895/6 | School magazine
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? | Game recap; considered WP:ROUTINE that doesn't contribute to notability per WP:NSPORTS. Not significant coverage, with only a few passing mentions in the recap.
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✘ No |
| https://issuu.com/stpetersyorkalumni/docs/24-253_jul_1926/58 | School magazine, writing an obituary on one of its former students
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? | No significant coverage as it is an obituary of his father and only mentions him in passing ("His four sons were all Peterites, and were all in the School at the same time while in recent years his two grandsons, R. H. and C. Metcalfe were also with us")
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✘ No |
| https://issuu.com/stpetersyorkalumni/docs/26-272_dec_1932/8 | School magazine, writing an obituary on one of its former students
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? |
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✘ No |
| https://issuu.com/stpetersyorkalumni/docs/40-319_oct_1948/14 | School magazine, writing an obituary on one of its former students
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? | Doesn't mention Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0002627/19130208/381/0067 |
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Passing mention; "The winners were Miss chio and Mr L. Hood".
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0002627/19160304/469/0080 |
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Passing mention; "France: Mr Hood, blue satin Pierrot" and "second place to Mr Hood and Miss Muckelt."
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✘ No |
| https://www.yrc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/YRCJ-2-6-1904-5.pdf#page=46 | Published by a club he was a member of
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? | Mentioned only in a list of newly elected members
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✘ No |
| https://www.familyhistory.bdm.qld.gov.au/details/b15dd3592cb448d4d960e7481e73fc9cc5d8327236ef85f77b0d1949c0671f8c |
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No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://www.cresta-run.com/about-the-smtc/history-of-the-club/ |
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No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Darlington_Forge_Co |
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? | No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://manchestervictorianarchitects.org.uk/index.php/buildings/ice-palace-derby-street-cheetham-manchester |
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? | No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://www.museotorino.it/view/s/1e9d3aef61e24c96bb7f78f41d432066 |
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? | No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://livesonline.rcseng.ac.uk/client/en_GB/lives/search/detailnonmodal/ent:$002f$002fSD_ASSET$002f0$002fSD_ASSET:378126/one?qu=%22RCS%3A+E005943%22&rt=false%7C%7C%7CIDENTIFIER%7C%7C%7CResource+Identifier | A college of surgeons writing about one of their members is not an independent source.
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No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://www.warwickandwarwick.com/resources/articles-library/unique-boer-war-world-war-i-dso-group-to-rnas-armoured-car-squadron | Auction listing of the belongings of his brother
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Auction listing
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No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| World Rugby 2020 - https://www.world.rugby/news/575375/five-forgotten-facts-about-first-ever-olympic-crunch |
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No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://www.calmview.eu/SheffieldArchives/CalmView/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=ESC%2F31 |
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No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| Master of the Supreme Court 1933 | Estate documents
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? Not available online | ✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000033/19000120/029/0009 |
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No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Perspective:%201900%20Olympic%20file%20-%20Mystery%20of%20the%20Olympic%20team%20from...-a065476854 |
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Passing mention only in a list of players
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000764/19540116/003/0003 |
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No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0003369/19001103/088/0006 |
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Passing mention only in a list of players
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000337/19001011/027/0003 |
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No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000385/18961113/158/0008 |
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No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/BL/0004909/19040903/003/0003 |
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Not significant coverage; "Leslie Hood of Lond, who did not appear, on the evidenoe of PO Noakes fined 10s for indecent bathing in the river Wey on afternoon August 21st"
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000183/19110629/189/0011 |
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Passing mention only; "Mr. Leslie Hood was best man to his brother."
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0002446/19020111/314/0049 |
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Passing mention only in a list of players
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0002446/19110225/244/0053 |
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Passing mention only; "The Bott Handicap took place on the 15th and attracted fourteen starters; it was won by Mr Kempton Cannon, who beat his own record in his last course, and thus just managed to defeat Mr L. Hood by 2 sec. on three courses."
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✘ No |
| https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k2853078/f3.item |
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No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0004660/18971002/126/0006 |
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No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0003066/19001103/103/0006 |
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Passing mention only in a list of players
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000206/19121202/113/0009 |
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Game recap; considered WP:ROUTINE that doesn't contribute to notability per WP:NSPORTS. , No signficant coverage; limited to two short sentence, the second of which he shared with two other players: "For a short period Mancehster were without Leslie Hood, who recieved a nasty cut on the bridge of his nose. The feature of the game, apart from the display of Dr. Bythell, was the splendid form shown by Hood, both before and after his accident, he often pentrating the London defences, and the excellent work of Haig on the Prince's side."
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/BL/0000206/19130310/089/0010 |
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Passing mention only, "The other placings were: Miss Muckelt and Mr. Hood, 2; Miss and Mr. Wood, 3; Miss and Mr. Marshall, 4; Miss Irwin and Mr. Cormack, 5."
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/BL/0000272/19270926/004/0004 |
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Primary source; court reporting on his conviction for dangerous driving with analysis or other components that would make it secondary. Longer than most other sources, but being primary prevents it from contirbuting to notability.
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000272/19301029/007/0007 |
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Passing mention only in a team list
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✘ No |
| https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/150797163 |
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No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k4127941s/f2.item |
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No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k4130447n/f6.item |
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No significant coverage; "Dr. N. L. Hood, of London, and his two brothers, who have been at the Bear for about a fortnight, have climbed about every peak in the immediate region: among others, the Matterhorn, Jungfrau, Moncli, Eiger and Finsteraarhom." - Leslie Hood isn't even mentioned by name, and it's possible it was the other two brothers
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✘ No |
| https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/PBH19120110.2.29.1 |
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No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/PBH19240603.2.22 |
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No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/PBH19240604.2.81 |
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No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0004049/19480410/108/0009 |
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No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://www.retronews.fr/journal/le-soleil/18-decembre-1898/661/1817807/2 |
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No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/BL/0000653/19001110/008/0002 |
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No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000893/18981003/063/0003 |
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Passing mention only in a list of players
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000893/18991130/003/0001 |
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Passing mention in a list of people from Middlesex awarded a prize, saying "Leslie Hood (extra prize)" - he appears to have come ninth
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000893/19000120/140/0006 |
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Passing mention only in a list of players
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000893/19000122/138/0008 |
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No mention of Hood
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/BL/0000893/19010208/069/0004 |
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Game recap; considered WP:ROUTINE that doesn't contribute to notability per WP:NSPORTS. Not significant coverage; two sentences in a game recap.
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0001055/19120201/095/0006 |
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Passing mention only; "L. Hood (a very powerful wing three-quarter)"
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000437/18961009/061/0002 |
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Game recap; considered WP:ROUTINE that doesn't contribute to notability per WP:NSPORTS. Not significant coverage; two sentences in a game recap.
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000437/18971008/036/0002 |
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Game recap; considered WP:ROUTINE that doesn't contribute to notability per WP:NSPORTS. Not significant coverage; single passing mention in a game recap.
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/BL/0000437/18980401/049/0002 |
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Game recap; considered WP:ROUTINE that doesn't contribute to notability per WP:NSPORTS. Not significant coverage; single passing mention in a game recap.
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000437/19080320/109/0007 | Written by his club
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No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/BL/0000632/18941005/058/0003 |
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Passing mention only in a list of players
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000499/18720622/047/0008 | Paid advertisement
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No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/BL/0000499/18760916/143/0005 | Paid advertisement; not independent.
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No significant coverage; only mentioned as "a son".
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000500/18910514/059/0007 |
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Passing mention only. Was a child at the time of the report; WP:YOUNGATH also applies
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000500/18940202/004/0002 |
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Passing mention in a list of graduating children only
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000632/18930429/049/0003 |
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No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000266/18941222/033/0008 |
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Passing mention in a list of children given school awards
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000687/19311114/379/0012 |
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Passing mention in a list of resigning directors
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000687/19321212/046/0002 | Paid advertisement
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Passing mention
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000687/19321212/046/0002 | ? |
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Not significant coverage; announcement that his estate was worth £9,507
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✘ No |
| https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000687/19341113/315/0007 |
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No mention of Leslie Hood
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✘ No |
| This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}. | ||||
- There's an alternative to the general notability guideline, and its called WP:NBASIC:
If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability
– this may be the clearest case of what NBASIC is for as I've ever seen. The fact that a beautiful article of 70,000 bytes can be written – so good that it honestly looks like something at WP:FAC – shows this passes Wikipedia:Notability (people). I am really confused at why you would try to delete an article like this – just after it was substantially expanded – when you had left it alone as a stub for over a year past from your tagging of its notability! BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:55, 20 September 2023 (UTC)- "Substantial" is a higher bar than "significant" - you still need significant coverage to meet NBASIC, and we don't have that here.
I am really confused at why you would try to delete an article like this – just after it was substantially expanded – when you had left it alone as a stub for over a year past from your tagging of its notability!
Because it is hollow, and cannot not be hollow due to the lack of significant coverage. While it is an impressive effort, it is a series of statements of fact, joined together by off topic discussions of other people and events; it's suitable for a genealogy book, but not for a Wikipedia article. BilledMammal (talk) 01:46, 22 September 2023 (UTC)