Talk:Left-wing nationalism

Where are the Nazis?

Shouldn't there be a mention of the national socialism? I think that would be the most obvious example of "left wing " (socialist) "nationalism" (in its most extreme form).--71.201.136.52 (talk) 17:44, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

You are clearly confused about your history and your ideologies. Nazism is a syncretic movement mixing elements of left and right. In practice, there was very little socialism in the Nazi government. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 17:46, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Contents must have reliable sources. The Four Deuces (talk) 18:09, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Nazis should be on here I agree but so should black nationalist movements like the Black Panthers and Nation of Islam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.87.102.239 (talk) 15:02, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Why fought Catalan left-wing nationalists Franco, when he was supported by German fascists? Why they have fought someone who should have the similar ideology? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.76.86.57 (talk) 16:27, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

That's a dubious claim. Academically speaking, Nazism isn't considered to be a left wing, even if it's inspired by left wing ideologies. With that said, Nazis shouldn't be mentioned. HunterZ-PT (talk) 20:10, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Hatnote

Regarding this, it has nothing to do with Soviet historiography. Nazism is a form of fascisim as reflected in these and other sources:

• Spielvogel, Jackson J. (2010) [1996] Hitler and Nazi Germany: A History New York: Routledge. p. 1 ISBN 978-0131924697 Quote: "Nazism was only one, although the most important, of a number of similar-looking fascist movements in Europe between World War I and World War II."
• Orlow, Dietrick (2009) The Lure of Fascism in Western Europe: German Nazis, Dutch and French Fascists, 1933–1939 London: Palgrave Macmillan, pp. 6–9. ISBN 978-0230608658. Excerpt
• Eley, Geoff (2013) Nazism as Fascism: Violence, Ideology, and the Ground of Consent in Germany 1930–1945 New York: Routledge. ISBN 978-0415812634
• Kailitz, Steffen and Umland, Andreas (2017). "Why Fascists Took Over the Reichstag but Have Not captured the Kremlin: A Comparison of Weimar Germany and Post-Soviet Russia". Nationalities Papers. 45 (2): 206–21.

Yes, there were some difference between Italian Fascism and Nazism, or between Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany, but both are considered forms of fascism by scholars of fascism. Unless you can get that part removed from the lead of Nazism, the hatnote should reflect that article. We should not just say it is unrelated but explain why it is; the difference is that Nazism (National Socialism) is far-right fascism, not left-wing (nationalist) socialism. Davide King (talk) 01:09, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Just noticed,

it is simply not understable why you even started to open this section when you already started a discussion on my talk page, or vica versa, no need to duplicate/repeat things. Discussion is here: ([1]), where your misinterpreations are explained.(KIENGIR (talk) 16:27, 27 December 2020 (UTC))

It is not a duplication. I wrote both here to you so that here other users could also weight their thoughts; and on your talk page, where we could discuss it in more detail, without monopolising the discussion here. That you think mine are "misinterpretations" is your own personal views, as I think you are the one who has misinterpretated and made false equivalency claims about Nazism as a form of fascism being Soviet propaganda, rather than majority scholarly consensus. You complain of my reading comphrension when your own wording is often times unclear and non-comprehensible. The fact is Nazism is a far-right German version of fascism, which is why it is unrelated in the first place, in spite of its National Socialism formal name among Nazis, to left-wing nationalism, which is a different thing. I presented actual sources above, so either present additional sources that say otherwise or stop complaining about me and whatever I do. Davide King (talk) 16:41, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Sorry to see your answer, which is unnecessary, because we discussed everything in my talk page (so your last straw man type sentence indeed cannot be taken serious, in spite of that), in which it turned out you misinterpreted me, hence, the content issue part of your anser I ignore since I don't discuss things twice (anyone may read there). Also in the future, please do not duplicate discussions, especially on such claims like "so that here other users could also weight their thoughts", sorry, anyone may weight their thought only once, and noone should steal precious editing time from editors with unnecessary duplications (especially, if it's about me, I kindly ask not to duplicate anything by any means in the future). Thank You.(KIENGIR (talk) 22:33, 29 December 2020 (UTC))

Arab Socialism

Perhaps "arab socialism" (nasserism, baathism) should be mentioned in the article? It is probably the best and most known example of trying to combine nationalism and socialism (even if some fringe far-right circles in Europe also idolize these regimes). MiguelMadeira (talk) 15:02, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Kurdish Nationalism

I think that adding in some Kurdish nationalist movements could work as examples of left wing nationalism such as The PKK Darkdeath0123 (talk) 15:07, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

actually i agree Braganza (talk) 13:51, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Lack of sources, possible OR and synthesis

This article has several glaring issues:

• The definition of the "left-wing nationalism" in the lead is taken from multiple authors but not attributed.
• The majority of this article is unsourced, with most paragraphs having no citations.
• Several paragraphs are unsourced justifications of the label's use, leading me to believe it is one or multiple editors' personal interpretations, hence the lack of sources.
• Most of the list of parties is unsourced, echoing the OR issues.
• See also section is being used as a glossary.

Yue🌙 19:05, 2 November 2024 (UTC)