Talk:Kardashev scale

Huber Scale

Since then, the Kardashev scale has (due to being morally gravely misguided) been obsoleted and substituted with the Huber scale which is in accordance to the unique macro-ethical progression (rather than the to it strictly mutually exclusive energetic progression) based Fermi Paradox solution ( https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talk:Fermi_paradox ):

The "Huber Scale" (using wildlife animal behavior as reference standard; though to be fair, wildlife animals do spread but it's limited to inter-continental scales, not interplanetary or interstellar, except possibly for interplanetary spread of extremophile microbes riding low-mass ice moons' super-sized water geysers' vents spewing material 10.000 kilometers to space & other ice moons part of ice moon systems consisting of dozens or hundreds of them):

-3: The extreme sub-animal level: A super-spreader civilization, for which (macro-)ethics is a foreign science, deliberately inducing the kick-starting of wild gruesome evolution of life all around itself interstellarly.

-2: The mediocre sub-animal level: An ethically orientation-less or too careless civilization that directly by its outer space activities (but also indirectly due to not hiding from others, consequently mis-guiding them & indirectly, remotely) risks the kick-starting of evolution of life all around itself, interstellarly accidentally.

-1: The mild sub-animal level: An ethically insecure but reluctant, hiding civilization that risks kick-starting evolution all around itself but just interplanetarily accidentally.

0: The wild animal equivalence level: A hiding civilization that macro-ethically behaves equivalent to as if it'd been just yet another animal species, staying on its planet.

1: A hiding civilization that is taking out & preventing some at interplanetary distances nearby planet-scale instances of evolution of life.

2: A hiding civilization that consistently, long-term keeps the local interstellar region of their deep space sovereignty (regarding safe intervention operations) impotent, sterile, wildlife-less, with especial focus on nearby super-spreader civilizations.

3: The ethically scientifically grounded, benevolent-god-like, hiding, infinitely long-termist & maximum-scale Schelling point collaboration & geologists, chem- & (evolutionary) biolog-ists, astro-nomers & -physicists, cosmologists, psycho- & socio-logists, computer scientists & mathematicians civilization that correctly identifies the cosmos as the ultimate meaning & utility monster to direct all efforts toward and that searches for, identifies & upon safe macro-ethical preferability assessments exploits step-wise towards cosmic time- & space-scales critical & in controllable or predictable manner in compound-effect concatenations upwards-cascading butterfly-effect branching- & tipping-points of the chaotic cosmic dynamic, namely on interplanetary, interstellar, galactic, inter-galactic & inter-big-crunch-cycle levels (as if it merely were weather-prediction & -manipulation towards ultimately for the overall summed up greater good favorable outcomes). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.192.195.234 (talk) 19:58, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps you would like to create a draft article on the Huber Scale: Draft:Huber Scale. Peaceray (talk) 20:36, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps you should try to stop writing while drinking. 2804:1B3:7080:DC0C:196C:723E:796E:D78B (talk) 19:11, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Confusion between Energy, Power, and Solar Irradiance

The introductory section ‘Origin of the classification - First publication (1964)‘ alternately uses the terms “Energy“ and “Power“, and has a link under “Power“ that leads to “Solar Irradiance“.

This is incorrect and confusing. These are three distinct physical concepts :

I) The unit of measurement for Energy - a basic physical quantity, i.e., a capacity for producing work, heat, and/or light - is the joule (J), with dimensions [M1L2T-2]

II) The unit of measurement for Power - the rate of energy transfer - is the watt (W), with dimensions [M1L2T-3]

III) The unit of measurement for Solar Irradiance - the rate of solar energy transfer on and/or through a surface - is the watt per square meter (W/mˆ2), with dimensions [M1T-3]

In his 1964 paper, p. 219, Kardashev classifies types of technologically developed civilizations according to energy consumption quantified in erg/sec (or erg/s). The erg is a unit of energy and the erg per second (erg/s) is a unit of power with dimensions [M1L2T-3], where 1 erg/s is equal to 10E-7 watt or 0.0000001 W.

Therefore, the term “energy“ in the aforementioned section is to be replaced with “power“ or “rate of energy consumption“ where appropriate. Lambda70 (talk) 17:03, 30 November 2024 (UTC)