Talk:Kalamazoo College

Alumni

What is the official definition of an alumni? There are a few people in the list (Selma Blair, Ty Warner) who attended but did not graduate from this college.--Theloniouszen 05:31, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

If you follow the link to Ralph Waite's biography, the biographer believes that he graduated from Bushnell University, which is not in Wikipedia. Perhaps the biographer meant Bucknell University, which also had American Baptist associations. In any case, it would appear that he may not have attended Kalamazoo. --MaxHund 17:50, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Mr. VanSile graduated from the College in the early 1980's. He is a Detroit businessmen who has started and spun off numerous businesses including Trannon Enterprises (estimated 40 million dollars in annual revenue in the 1980's) before his mid 30's. His nickname, "Stormin' Norman" allegedly comes from his business style during the late 1980's, taking his corporate opponents by storm. He currently manages a REIT started in the 1990's as well as a family business started by his grandfather. According to college records he played Basketball and Baseball at Kzoo with a notable aptitude for Baseball. He is currently semi retired and chooses to pursue his philanthropic interests. Brother of musician Rob VanSile from the punk band "The Degenerates". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.238.43.181 (talk) 02:10, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

The article Alumnus may be helpful in this discussion.--DerRichter (talk) 00:08, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

To address the above question: During my time at Kalamazoo College (2005-2009) and to my best understanding per the office of the registrar an alumnus was defined by the school as one who had attended the college for a minimum of six quarters which is equivalent to two years. I have no way to cite this nor do I know the time that Selma Blair or Ty Warner attended. K05ag02 (talk) 00:03, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Neutrality

The vast majority of this article was written like an advertisement by the school. It referenced the school as a source numerous times and lacked sources in necessary places. I removed portions containing either irrelevant or unsourced information. Xenosagian (talk) 01:33, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Can you please be specific about what you are disputing? I have spent many years at Kalamazoo College. If suits you I can provide (and to a certain extent already have provided) an account of my knowledge of the college. Wouldn't that make Wikipedia a primary source?--69.193.183.238 (talk) 18:09, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

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Citations

User:John from Idegon has twice now reverted my attempts to update and cite outdated statistics on this article. I am struggling to understand how out of date and un-cited information could be seen as preferable. I understand that the college's own website is not an ideal source, but for all articles of this same type, these are the kinds of facts that are of general interest but are simply not covered by external sources- I'm talking about statistics regarding the student body, the faculty, what students do after graduation, etc. After he reverted my updates the first time, I scoured the articles for several other liberal arts colleges to seek examples for how to better cite the exact same types of information. I found that the articles for Grinnell, Bates, Pomona, Macalester, Pitzer, and many others are doing the exact same thing, citing back to the schools website for this type of information. If we can agree that those statistics are of enough general interest to be included in the article, which it seems we can- because they are not under dispute and their inclusion wasn't what was reverted- then it seems we do an even greater disservice to revert them to what we know full well is an outdated and uncited source. In the cases where I added the school's website as a source, in all cases it was to cite a previously completely un-cited piece of information in the article. I am not a longtime editor but I am a trained librarian and I have a hard time believing that if we agree a certain piece of information is important enough to be included in the article, that somehow leaving in outdated information with no source is better than updating to the most current information available with a citation to the best source currently available, even if that source is not quite ideal. To do so otherwise seems like a disservice given the resources at hand. This experience has me a bit soured on the editing process, but I'm bringing it up here on the Talk page in hopes that someone can be reasonable here while advising on how to proceed. Thank you in advance for any guidance. 2600:6C4A:797F:E68E:0:1EAA:7A75:C3B0 (talk) 05:00, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Kalamazoo College

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Kalamazoo College's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "FallEnrollmentReport":

• From University of Detroit Mercy: "Detroit Mercy Common Data Set 2021-2022" (PDF). Detroit Mercy Institutional Data and Reporting. Retrieved 2022-11-03.
• From Aquinas College (Michigan): "Aquinas College Common Data Set 2021-2022" (PDF). Aquinas College. Retrieved 2022-11-18.
• From Alma College: "Alma College Common Data Set 2019-2020". Alma College. Retrieved 2022-11-18.
• From Albion College: "Albion College Common Data Set 2021-2022". Albion College. Retrieved 2022-11-18.
• From Wayne State University: "WSU Common Data Set 2021-2022" (PDF). WSU Institutional Research. Retrieved 2022-11-18.
• From Calvin University: "Calvin University Common Data Set 2021-2022" (PDF). Calvin University. Retrieved 2022-11-17.
• From Oakland University: "Oakland University Common Data Set 2021-2022" (PDF). Oakland University Office of Institutional Research, Assessment, and Data Analytics. Retrieved 2022-11-03.
• From Hope College: "Hope College Common Data Set 2020-2021" (PDF). Hope College. Retrieved 2022-11-18.
• From Michigan State University: "MSU Common Data Set 2021-2022" (PDF). MSU Institutional Research. Retrieved December 20, 2022.
• From Michigan Technological University: "MTU Common Data Set 2021-2022" (PDF). MTU Institutional Research. Archived (PDF) from the original on 2022-11-02. Retrieved 2022-11-01.
• From Spring Arbor University: "Spring Arbor University Data Set 2018-2019" (PDF). Spring Arbor University. Retrieved 2022-11-18.
• From Rochester University: "Rochester University Common Data Set 2020-2021" (PDF). Rochester University. Retrieved 2022-11-18.
• From Central Michigan University: "CMU Common Data Set 2021-2022" (PDF). CMU Academic Planning and Analysis. Retrieved 2022-11-03.
• From Concordia University Ann Arbor: "Concordia University Ann Arbor Common Data Set 2018-2019" (PDF). Concordia University Ann Arbor. Retrieved 2022-11-18.
• From Grand Valley State University: "GVSU Common Data Set 2021-2022". GVSU Office of Institutional Analysis. Retrieved 2022-11-01.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 12:27, 7 January 2023 (UTC)