Talk:Jacob Aaron Westervelt

Latest comment: 10 days ago by Jonesey95 in topic Non-navbox removed
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May 31, 2009Peer reviewReviewed
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on April 27, 2009.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Jacob Aaron Westervelt (pictured), the former Mayor of New York City, attempted to uniform the Police of New York, a move seen by some as "un-American"?

Non-encyclopedic format

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Much of this article is written in a very bouncy voice and quite the non-neutral tone. Just look at the police section: "A law-abiding and determined Mayor against a frequently undisciplined lot of rather obstinate policemen...conflicts were bound to occur." I wouldn't be surprised if this were lifted from a book or website on the man. Original content would be welcome. Or a box at the top that identifies the hideous errors within the article (I don't know how to code). J1.grammar natz (talk) 03:18, 27 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Hi. The article is in the view of some editors that will continue to make a clean-up soon (for example User:Ukexpat). --Rectilinium'♥' 04:13, 27 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
e.g. Im sorry if my english sometimes is strange, but Im actually Swiss. By the way: the above mentioned sentence was not lifted from a book or website. --Rectilinium'♥' 04:23, 27 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
I do think someone needs to go through the article and de-italicize all the references to Jacob Aaron Westervelt. It is not a convention on Wikipedia to italicize the subject of articles like this. Gatoclass (talk) 05:18, 27 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
Never mind, done it myself. Gatoclass (talk) 05:26, 27 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
Nicely researched article. I moved citations to after the punctuation per MOS:PUNCT. I'm afraid I did not see the League of Copyeditors notice on the article until after submitting the change. -- Brianhe (talk) 18:37, 28 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Outstanding article

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This is a fine job of research, documentation and writing, your mother tongue (not English) notwithstanding. I saw your posts on ukexpat's page, and checked out the article to see if I could help. Sorry, it's too well done; there are so many poorly written entries that I just can't take the time to critique this superb piece of work (which, like all significant undertakings, could be improved; but when an article is as good as this one, what's the point?). Thanks for your wonderful article. If I knew how to nominate you for some prize, I would. Amccray (talk) 00:35, 28 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Thank you very much Amccray! I actually invested 150 hours researching and writing this article, yet I know that it still can be improved. But honestly I was delighted to read your message, after all the criticism :)... With kind regards --Rectilinium'♥' 04:38, 28 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Copy edit

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First of all, I must congratulate Rectilinium on this article, an outstanding job. I urge you to keep contributing as you are a great asset to this project. I saved my copy edit in two diffs, please see this diff and this one. I have attempted to make the tone a little more encyclopedic without destroying the narrative, added a few relevant links, and attempted to use the {{Ship}} and {{USS}} template where possible, ref punctuation fixes, removed some unnecessary commas etc. It is possible that I missed some things, but I will revisit the article again soon to check. Happy to deal with any comments here (preferably) or on my talk page. – ukexpat (talk) 20:28, 28 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Geocities-hosted references

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Some of the references used in this article are sites hosted on Yahoo's Geocities free web service. Yahoo has announced that it is closing this service down, so, unless owners of those sites move them elsewhere, a valuable source of references (and not just for this article) will be lost. I urge all editors who are interested in doing so to archive relevant Geocities-hosted pages using WebCite - it's very straightforward and better than losing the reference completely. Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 20:42, 28 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Okay, ref #13 is on the archiving queue... --The New Mikemoral ♪♫ 00:07, 29 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
Hmm.... done twice, I also made an archiving request. --Rectilinium'♥' 00:31, 29 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Very good article!

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I agree that this is a very good article. My primary problem is the longish quote in the section on his term as mayor. It is a useful quote, but it could be broken out into subsections that indicate his political positions on the problems he's faced. I found this article on the peer review request section, but it apparently is already peer reviewed. However, I suggest that this hideously long quote be pared down, and made into sections, with some indication of what he did based on his political position. Fernando Wood, his mayoral successor, was a notable Copperhead. Where did Westervelt stand on this problem? --Auntieruth55 (talk) 16:39, 22 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

Hi Auntieruth. At the moment Im in bad health. As soon as I feel a bit better, I will try to make what you suggested. With kind regards, --Rectilinium'♥' 03:40, 28 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

Assessment comment

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To try for a higher assessment and to further improve the article you should nominate it for GA review. Hekerui (talk) 09:47, 30 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

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Song about the Margaret Evans

Chanty of the packet ship Margaret Evans (1846)

The Margaret Evans was a London packet ship (sailing between New York and London on a regular schedule). She was 899 tons, built 1846 in New York by Westervelt & MacKay and owned by E.E. Morgan. She continued sailing into the 1860s. The ship is celebrated in the chanty "Clear the track", also called "Clear the track, let the bullgine run" or simply "Margaret Evans". As many sailors signed on many different ships within their lives, they brought their songs along with them and many melodies and words were adapted and exchanged. Thats why remarkable derivations of "Clear the track", that originally was written about the "Margaret Evans", can be found (for further informations see "here" - accessed March 30, 2009). Thus, the music was passed on to more and more people.

The chanty was f.e. recorded by Alan Mills, by Gilbert Lacombe and by Four Shipmates (Musical group). You can listen to a sample of Alan Mills version of that chanty on the Website of "Smithsonian Global Sound" (accessed March 30, 2009).



Clear the track (lyrics)



O the smartest clipper you can find

A ho way ho are you 'most done

Is the Margeret Evans of the Blue Cross Line

So clear the track let the bullgine run


To me hey rig-a-jig in a low-backed car

A ho way ho are you 'most done

With Liza Lee all on my knee

So clear the track let the bullgine run


O the Margeret Evans of the Blue Cross Line

A ho way ho are you 'most done

She's never a day behind her time

So clear the track let the bullgine run


O we're outward bound for New York Town

A ho way ho are you 'most done

Them bowery gals we'll waltz around

So clear the track let the bullgine run


When we've stowed our freight at the West Street Pier

A ho way ho, are you 'most done

It's home to Liverpool then we'll steer

So clear the track let the bullgine run


O them bowery gals will give us fun

A ho way ho, are you 'most done

Chatham Street dives is home from home

So clear the track let the bullgine run


When we all get back to Liverpool town

A ho way ho are you 'most done

I'll stand ye whiskies all around

So clear the track let the bullgine run


O heave a pawl O bear a hand

A ho way ho are you 'most done

Just one more pull and make her stand

So clear the track let the bullgine run


O Liza Lee will you be mine

A ho way ho are you 'most done

I'll dress you up in silk so fine

So clear the track let the bullgine run


To me hey rig-a-jig in a low-backed car

A ho way ho are you 'most done

With Liza Lee all on my knee

So clear the track let the bullgine run


And when I'm home again from sea,

A -ho, way-ho, are you 'most done

Oh Liza, you shall marry me

So clear the track let the bullgine run


To me hey rig-a-jig in a low-backed car

A -ho, way-ho, are you 'most done

With Liza Lee all on my knee

So clear the track let the bullgine run


I'll stay with you upon the shore

A -ho, way-ho, are you 'most done

And back to sea will go no more

So clear the track let the bullgine run


To me hey rig-a-jig in a low-backed car

A-ho, way-ho, are you 'most done

With Liza Lee all on my knee

So clear the track let the bullgine run.

Some of it might be worth incorporating into the article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)Reply