Talk:Ibn Arabi

Possibility of a template?

I've created the Muhyiddin Ibn Arabi Society article. If we look over that along with Akbariyya and Ibn Arabi and theoretical mysticism, would there be a basis for creating a template for Ibn Arabi? Would any of his prominent students, or perhaps some of his works, also have a place on such a template? I don't think I've created on before, so I'm not sure what sort of guidelines there may be. MezzoMezzo (talk) 05:48, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

“ nicknamed al-Qushayrī ”

al-Qushayrī is a tribal Nisba not a nickname and he wasn’t from the tribe Qushayr 46.184.88.249 (talk) 10:15, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

al-Qushayrī is another sufi mistic. ʻAbd al-Karīm ibn Hawāzin Qushayrī, known as Al-Qushayri Lokamaya (talk) 11:26, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Please remove/edit nickname al-Qushayrī from this page.

Lokamaya (talk) 11:27, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Sultan Arifin also not known in academic source. Stephen Hirtenstein wrote all the nickname of Ibn Arabi here: Names and Titles of Ibn ‘Arabī

Lokamaya (talk) 11:32, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@Uness232 please take a look here Lokamaya (talk) 07:17, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Don't see a source for either. Removing them both. Uness232 (talk) 12:49, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Real name and nickname

Here the names of Ibn 'Arabi

• Real name or personal name: Muhammad
• Nickname: Ibn 'Arabi
• Titular name: Muhyiddin or Muhyi al-din
• Other titular name but only known after Ibn 'Arabi passed away: Syekh Al-Akbar (The Great Teacher)
• Father of (kunya): Abū ‘Abdu-Allāh
• nasab/patronym: ibn ‘Alī ibn Muhammad ibn Ahmad ibn ‘Abdullāh
• nisba/place and geo origin: ibn al-‘Arabī al-Tā’ī al-Hātimī al-Andalusī
• Fullname with titular + kunya + personal name + nasab + nisba: Muhyīddīn Abū ‘Abdullāh Muhammad ibn ‘Alī ibn Muhammad ibn Ahmad ibn ‘Abdullāh ibn a-‘Arabī al-Tā’ī al-Hātimī al-Andalusī

Lokamaya (talk) 11:58, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

This addition, "al-Mursī al-Dimashqī", only known in certain community, not common. Mursi is a city in Andalusia where he was born (so al-Andalusi was enough), and Damascus is a city where he spent the rest of his life and a place where he is buried. So no need to add Mursi and Damascus to his fullname.

Lokamaya (talk) 12:11, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

The reality is that a 'full name' in Arabic can go on for as long as one likes, depending on how many generations back the patronymic recollection is continued. For practicality's sake, a line needs to be drawn somewhere, and the existing version already seemed a bit long. I've trimmed it to the version that Chittick notes Ibn Arabi actually signed his books with, which was "Abū ʻAbd Allāh Muḥammad ibn al-ʻArabī al-Ṭāʼī al-Ḥātimī", which is as close as are going to get to an 'official' version, and it is clearly where the man himself drew the line for practicality's sake. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:18, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Change heading/name to proper noun

The correct spelling in Arabic is ابن العربي ibn al-‘Arabī (See: Ash-Sha’ranī, Tabaqāt al-Kubrā, 1/227). How can we change? The current spelling for accurately represent the addition of “al” in the article title while preserving older links that direct here without the “al”? 204.197.177.17 (talk) 20:57, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Proposed merge from Ibn Arabi and theoretical mysticism

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

To merge [[Ibn Arabi and theoretical mysticism]] into this article, on the grounds of context and overlap. Klbrain (talk) 19:55, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

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And, the phrase "thweortecial mysticism' lascks wp:notability FatalSubjectivities (talk) 07:27, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

 Disagree As mentioned at the lead of the article: "...refers to a school of theoretical mystical thought which was developed and explored by Ibn Arabi. This thought movement also could be considered as the continuation of Islamic philosophy." Accordingly, this school can be considered as one of the various schools of Islamic thought, such as: Ash'arism, Maturidism, Rifa'iyya, Qadiriyya, Naqshbandiya, etc. Maybe the title should be changed to "Islamic theoretical mysticism" or simply "Theoretical mysticism"?--TheEagle107 (talk) 02:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Ibn Arabi and theoretical mysticism has Great overlap and might be WP:REDUNDANT. FatalSubjectivities (talk) 13:25, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree. It looks like a content fork. MartinPoulter (talk) 15:15, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Support merge as proposed. While there might exist enough content in reliable sources to support a page on Theoretical mysticism, the current Ibn Arabi and theoretical mysticism isn't it. Rather, there is heavy overlap with Ibn Arabi and so Ibn Arabi and theoretical mysticism is thus best merged to here. Klbrain (talk) 15:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

  Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 19:55, 7 November 2024 (UTC)