Talk:Harrison Floyd

Harrison Floyd article posted

@User:Thriley, @User:Tintinthereporter226, thanks for working on the draft. A bio for Harrison Floyd has just been put up. Nowa (talk) 01:41, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@Thriley, Tintinthereporter226, and Nowa:: I notice that the article about Harrison Floyd has now been redirected to Black Voices for Trump due to copyright problems with the posted article. That article currently seems to cover this person in more detail than this draft article currently does. You might like to compare texts. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 03:29, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

User:Thriley,User:Cameron Dewe, User:Phlsph7 I did a manual rewrite of the LLM drafted article and posted it here. Let me know how it looks. Here's a link to the combined text of the RS User:Nowa/Floyd RS. Nowa (talk) 03:46, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

There is one sentence directly copied from the https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2023/08/26/who-is-harrison-floyd-trump-co-defendant-and-black-voices-for-trump-leader-still-in-fulton-county-jail/: In 2020, Floyd led the organization Black Voices for Trump

Also: the New York Post is an unreliable source. Phlsph7 (talk) 08:45, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Good catches. All fixed? Nowa (talk) 00:22, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, looks better now. Phlsph7 (talk) 08:12, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Super. Should we move this to article space? Nowa (talk) 03:12, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

BTW, I did another experiment on using GPT 4 to draft an article based on RS with reduced copyvios. See Draft:Debbie Dooley. The draft is in the form of numbered bullet points with citations to the references shown below each bullet point. As far as I can tell, bullet #1 is the only "copy" or "close paraphrase" of the original RS. Would welcome other reviews as well. See the talk page for the prompts. In particular, where the first prompt says to "use different language than the references". Nowa (talk) 05:01, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

I strongly suggest that you submit this and similar drafts for review instead of moving them directly to mainspace, see WP:AFCREVIEW. The reason is that this method of creating articles is controversial and far from fool-proof and there were already various problems in the preparation phase. There is currently a backlog drive, which should speed up the process of waiting for a review. It is usually expected that the time invested by the author to ensure that their draft is high quality is more than the time needed for the reviewer to go through the article. Phlsph7 (talk) 07:45, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Good suggestion. Done. Nowa (talk) 09:38, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

hnbgu.net is not reliable enough for biographic information

I just removed information from the article for a second time that was backed only by an article in hnbgu.net. All information in a Wikipedia biography must be backed by a reliable secondary source. One thing that makes hnbgu.net unreliable is that it uses Wikipedia itself for some of its information. Hence, it cannot be used. See wp:circular.

Furthermore, hnbgu.net appears to be a self-published source. See their about page Wikipedia policy is "Never use self-published sources—including but not limited to books, zines, websites, blogs, and social network posts—as sources of material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject of the article" See WP:BLPSPS

If any editor can show why hnbgu.net is reliable, please leave a comment below. Nowa (talk) 22:08, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Apparent autobiography

User:Fluzzylumpkins has claimed on Commons that he is Harrison Floyd.[1][2][3] Fluzzylumpkins has made numerous additions to this article. There is special concern because Fluzzylumpkins has made significant edits about legal cases involving Floyd, which which conflict with WP:COILEGAL.[4][5] There are also edits that apparently promote Floyd's political activities, which conflict with WP:COIPOLITICAL.[6][7] Please check all of Fluzzylumpkins's edits and resolve any problematic issues. (I an unfamiliar with these political and legal matters.) It would not be appropriate to just remove the Legal issues sections. I will tag the article with {{Autobiography}}. Verbcatcher (talk) 18:53, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I am not Harrison Floyd lol

But I did just expose how this user and many others are trying to misrepresent, defame, and silence the man. You should be ashamed of yourself. Fluzzylumpkins (talk) 19:07, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I am not the subject, I exposed you!

All of my edits are backed by sources, which is required by Wikipedia!

This is big tech working with the government at its finest! Fluzzylumpkins (talk) 19:32, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

User:Fluzzylumpkins has made contradictory statements, and they actually be Floyd. Also, on Commons they wrote "I will ask him to change his profile picture on LinkedIn."[8] indicating that they have a close connection with Floyd and a probable conflict of interest. We should treat this user as having a suspected conflict of interest. Verbcatcher (talk) 20:27, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I've noticed this page always gets "edited" just before a major decision in this case. It's no surprise the judge will make a very big decision next week and suddenly a picture and edits that have been here for a while are at issue.

User:Verbcatcher edits are never unbiased or neutral. They are always done in a way to paint the subject of the page in a negative light. There is a clear motive behind it, which I why I said I was him. Again, I am not him and it is a shame to see the lengths people are willing to go to smear someone. The conflict of interest is not with me.

1. How do you know that he didn't see the picture here, and use it for himself? How do you know that is his LinkedIn page and not a fake one?

2. The subject has social media, anyone on the internet can message him. How does my saying I could message him, in any way mean I have a close connection with the subject? User:Verbcatcher can message him right now. Does mean he has a conflict of interest as well?

3. All of my edits have been backed by SOURCES! The page is NEUTRAL!

User:Verbcatcher actions clearly show a personal, professional, or political interest in the subject of the page. The fact the user's edits are always negative demonstrates a particular motive to lead or sway readers, not provide information.

If I am treated as having a suspected conflict of interest, then so should User:Verbcatcher Fluzzylumpkins (talk) 23:58, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Fluzzylumpkins: I was not aware that a legal decision was expected about this topic. I am not an American and I did not know about Floyd until I saw this file. I responded to c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Floydinrichmond.jpg when I noticed it in the Commons daily deletion request list. I then looked at your user uploads to Commons and commented on their existing deletion nominations.

Why do you say that my "edits are never unbiased or neutral"? Please justify your comments about me. As far as I know, our only interactions have been today, in this article and on Commons.

1 and 2: Regarding the pictures, please comment on the Commons deletion request pages.

3: Writing in a neutral way and adding sources is insufficient. Your should follow the WP:COILEGAL and WP:COIPOLITICAL rules.

Can you justify that I "clearly show a personal, professional, or political interest in the subject of the page"? I have only made one edit to this article. I have very rarely edited articles about American politics. Can you justify that my edits "are always negative demonstrates a particular motive to lead or sway readers, not provide information".

You should not be surprised when you are suspected of having a conflict of interest after you have claimed that you were Harrison Floyd. Please explain why I might have a conflict of interest.

You have repeated more insults about me but you have not bothered to make any basic investigations to support them. Verbcatcher (talk) 01:12, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Also, all of your edits have been about Harrison Floyd. This also suggests that you might have a conflict of interest, please see Wikipedia:Single-purpose account. Verbcatcher (talk) 01:25, 8 March 2024 (UTC)