Talk:Goya's Ghosts

"Tufano" vandalism

Note that edits inserting supposed information about "Marc Tufano" are vandalism and should be reverted on sight. This has affected multiple articles (Robert De Niro, The Beatles, etc. etc.) -- Curps 18:05, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Release Date

The correct release date for this film is July 30, 2007 according to Box Office Mojo.

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 03:34, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

What's true, what's fiction

make it clearer

I just watched this film. It was fun except for the fact to discover that pretty much all of it was not true. As the Wikipedia page says, "Although the historical setting of the movie is authentic, the story itself is pure fiction.". But actually that statement is still somewhat misleading: for instance the painter Goya existed. However his apparent involvement in trying to save a daughter of a friend, and then her daughter, is, I guess, fictional. The gist is, I like what is true & what is fiction to be clearer on the Wikipedia page, maybe especially because the film ISN'T clear on this. And probably the easiest & quickest way would be to update the cast list to something as the following:

Actor	Role
Natalie Portman	Inés/Alicia (fictional)
Javier Bardem	Lorenzo (fictional)
Stellan Skarsgård	Francisco Goya (existed)
Randy Quaid	King Carlos IV (existed)
Michael Lonsdale	Father Gregorio (fictional?)
Julian Wadham	Joseph Bonaparte (existed?)

Thoughts? Maybe some expert wiki editor on this page could go do this. :-) MBParker (talk) 05:45, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I dunno, I came to this article wondering about the same things, and the present text was quite sufficient for me. For example, the wikilinked characters are real, and the others aren't. I don't think that sentence is misleading - you can have an entirely fictional story which features a real-life character.--91.148.159.4 (talk) 20:41, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Lorenzo is very obviously Juan Antonio Llorente: their careers are remarkably similar with even a Goya portrait (until 1814, when Llorente escaped to France), and the surname Llorente derives from a patronymic form of Lorenzo. Can we source this to WP:RS? Andy Dingley (talk) 02:25, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Torture, War, Mental Illness, Goya's paintings on film

Two themes pervade this film which are worth noting, perhaps in the main article. Torture and Goya's art.

This film is set during the time of the Spanish Inquisition. The question of whether torture can be condoned, and whether confessions obtained under torture are likely to contain factual truth is repeated raised in this film. The answer portrayed seems to fall heavily on the widely accepted but not universal opinion that torture seldom produces valuable results. That Foreman made this a major theme of his film in 2005 cannot, in my mind, be separately from the current debate about water-boarding and other tortures used by the US government. Further, the question of whether an invading army (Napoleon's in this case) that overthrows a repressive regime will long be tolerated, nor maintain its original objectives, is depicted clearly. Anyone who does not see the US invading Iraq as a parallel is missing part of Foreman's message.

Second, the presentation on film of characters and situations from Goya's painting brought tears to my eyes. Anyone who is not familiar with Goya's work will not see the homage which Foreman is paying to the great artist and chronicler of the beauty and horror of his time. I cannot believe Foreman has not been credited or accused, depending on your politics, with making a cinematic statement that art is deeply involved in our real world. This is not escape. This is not costumes and sets for the purpose of escape. This is a portrait of our own times, disguised so that we may see it more clearly. Aside from torture, and the devastations of warfare, Natlie Portman's depiction of mental illness from her prison experience is horrific, and the jaw-twisted face brings to life one of Goya's most striking and gruesome faces. Bravi. Rayfieldvt (talk) 20:01, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 3 external links on Goya's Ghosts. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20060209102459/http://www.hanwayfilms.com/test/flash_positive.htm to http://www.hanwayfilms.com/test/flash_positive.htm
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20081201092731/http://www.wweek.com/editorial/3338/9311/ to http://wweek.com/editorial/3338/9311/
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20060219225309/http://www.natalieportman.com/npcom.php?page_number=834 to http://natalieportman.com/npcom.php?page_number=834

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 06:36, 5 December 2017 (UTC)