Talk:Gülen movement

Latest comment: 4 days ago by Shadow4dark in topic Use of Zaman and Today's Zaman as sources

Cheating at the Public Service Entry Examinations - In the source article no solid proof is mentioned.

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"Algemeen ambtsbericht Turkije oktober 2019 - Ambtsbericht - Rijksoverheid.nl". www.rijksoverheid.nl (in Dutch) (Ministerie van Algemene Zaken). 31 October 2019.

The article above is as the source of the section "Cheating at the Public Service Entry Examinations, 2010" in the references written. However in the English version of the source article there is not any solid proof that can be considered as reliable source for the cheating allegations. The following statement is written in the article:

According to the confidential source, it is widely known that Gülenists had copied exam papers beforehand in order to help other Gülenists into key positions within the Turkish government. (P. 30)

Information from this confidential source can not be an evidence that supports the cheating allegations, since it has neither solid evidence nor any reference that can be counted as reliable source. Moreover the confidential source says that this information is a "widely known" fact but does not mention the scope of the popularity of this information. Widely known by who? By authorities? By people who watch television channels that are in political engagement with that government? Regarding these thoughts a revision and correction of this section strongly suggested.

The Lead-In part is too bloated

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Someone needs to shrink those long ass texts and put them in the body of this page instead of shoving everything in the leading paragraphs

Use of Zaman and Today's Zaman as sources

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As the article states, these sources are affiliated with the movement so I don't think we can use them as an impartial source for facts. That is not to say they are not useful. Moritoriko (talk) 05:38, 6 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

The sources are clearly useful to counter pro AKP sources as Daily Sabah. Shadow4dark (talk) 07:29, 6 September 2024 (UTC)Reply