Talk:Eric Gordon England

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Surname

Aerohydro (talk · contribs) is claiming that the surname was "Gordon England", see for example this edit comment. Since his parents are given only as Mr. and Mrs. England, and double-barrelled surnames are invariably hyphenated, I find this hard to believe. Is there any reliable source to support this claim? — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 08:53, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Double barrelled surnames are not invariably hyphenated. Its my understanding you can cal yourself whatever you want if you have no intent to commit fraud. He seems to have seen Gordon England as his professional surname. Are you another one who believes in "first names" ? Eddaido (talk) 10:19, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

I have no idea what your "first names" issue is about, nor do I wish to. I know only what I read in reliable sources, and they invariably refer to him as "Gordon England". This is clearly his professional name. But I have seen no evidence that anybody treated it as a surname, which is why I ask if anybody else has seen any. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 10:41, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Let me explain, today most people would insist on his article being named Eric England. I am curious that you do not. Why? Eddaido (talk) 11:21, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Primarily Wikipedia's policy on WP:COMMONAME, qualified by the disambiguation WP:QUALIFIER. One might argue that "Eric Cecil Gordon England" or "Gordon England (aviator)" would be better, but I am not concerned enough to start a move discussion. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 12:29, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello All - have looked into this. Of the sites that provide biographical detail, this one British Aviation - Eric Gordon England seems to be the most authoritative, and gives the definitive answer as to his name. Yes, his surname is technically "England", but "Gordon England" used was though it was his surname. I certainly thought it was, hence my edits. Perhaps we could add a comment in the article regarding how his name was styled? Happy to take advice on this matter. I'm fairly new to Wikipedia, so am still learning. Cheers, Paul Aerohydro (talk) 07:13, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

This really is not a contentious issue. Surname: England. Given Christian name invariably used: Gordon. You are quite wrong to think of it as his surname; one may find occasional contemporary reference to "Mr. England", "E. C. G. England" and so on, while "E. C. Gordon England" can appear in lists which include Christian names. Such use of one's second or third Christian name is commonplace enough not to require comment. (He did not go so far as say Tom Campbell Black or Constance Babington Smith in habitually treating it as part of their surnames.) See also Wikipedia's Style Guide on WP:MIDDLENAME. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 09:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC) [updated 13:47, 3 May 2021 (UTC)]

Thanks for making the corrections, I wasn't aware that you had already done that. Aerohydro (talk) 06:07, 4 May 2021 (UTC) 06:06, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

He was mainly refers to as "Mr E C Gordon England" in the press thus not strictly a surname the press treated it as such and could be considered a common name. MilborneOne (talk) 16:38, 3 May 2021 (UTC)