Talk:Eric Cantona

"soccer" vs "football"

In a "soccer"-related article, shouldn't we use the universal name for this sport, which is "football"?

I know that Wikipedia is American-born, but the audience is worldwide and "soccer" is only used in North America (although sometimes in AusNZ).

There are many form of "football" games, not only American and FIFA football, but also Gaelic, Australian, Rugby (League and Union), plus a plethora of other forms of the sport, but, in most people's mind, "football" is used to designate the FIFA-censored type of football.

In a "FIFA football" context, shouldn't we use "football" instead of "soccer"?

--WhiteEcho 18:35, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Soccer is an English word and comes from Association football. Soccer and Rugger were used to distinguish between Rugby Football and Association football in England, the word was then imported to America. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.152.204.16 (talk) 17:36, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Éric not Eric?

Why is this article at Éric Cantona, not Eric Cantona? The common name in English, which is what we go by, according to all the references (United website, FIFA, FA website, BBC news), is Eric, not Éric. Unless I see a good reason, I will move it back in a few days.

See also WP:UE - only use the native spelling as an article title if it is more commonly used in English than the anglicized form. Proto::► 11:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I can't even find any usages of "Éric" by searching in site:.fr domains! Might be entirely spurious. Morwen - Talk 14:30, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The only website that has the diacriticicised "E" for Eric outside of this article is fr.wikipedia - which leads me think they have it wrong, too. Proto::► 14:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. Not a single valid reference for "Éric" (the French Wikipedia is not a valid reference). Proto::► 19:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, Encarta calls him "Éric" too[1]. _R_ 23:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Mm, but it should be pointed out that's the French Encarta. Fifa uses Eric, not Éric, and I would submit they are the final say on all things football. Neil ☎ 11:58, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

It is spelled Éric in french, always. Some people omit the accent because it is very uneasy to type it on a french keyboard under windows, that's the only reason why one can sometimes find it spelled "Eric". I doubt FIFA could be used as a typography reference in any case. :) Med 16:23, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I have just seen the page has been moved back to the erroneous title. If you want more example of the spelling of Éric you can check http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Special:Prefixindex&from=%C3%89ric_Abidal&prefix=%C3%89 . Med 16:56, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

There is no valid reason to call him Eric, when his french name is Éric. In french, the accents make all the difference the way you pronounce words. His name is pronounced Ai-ri-c. without the accent it would change to Euh-ri-c. Which would be a new french name, since all Éric are apelled with an accent ( and I know what I'm talking about). Meodudlye 17:02, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Consensus, Wikipedia policy, and reliable sources say "Eric". I don't care how Eric Abidal is or is not spelled. And while FIFA are not typography experts, they are the resource for how to spell a footballer's name - FIFA, after all, hold international registrations.(in English, et en Francais) (Also BBC, The FA, UEFA, l'OM, Le Monde. How you think it should be spelled is neither here nor there. It is Eric. Consensus here says it is not Éric. Policy here says it is not Éric. All the sources say it is not Éric. Knock it off. Neil ☎ 19:24, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

As i have already stated the diacritic is often omitted for practical reasons due to the limitations of the french windows keyboard layout and to the lack of knowledge of editors. This can even impact serious publications. Otherwise Le Monde has the policy to never write diacritics on capital letters (breaking the french typography rules but it is their business), therefore it is certainly not a good source to know if there is an accent or not. Repeating a mistake does not make it correct. In addition on fr: the article title is "Éric Cantona" and it has never been debated. Med 19:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi Nil ( Sorry if I mispelled your name, I write it the way I pronounce it, same as you do with my name, since I'm also named Éric). I could not care less what FIFA says. Éric Cantona is named Éric on his passport ( you may argue that I do not have a copy of his passport available, but I know how you write names as common as Éric in french so I'm pretty confident about that). So there is no obvious reason, apart from bad faith from your side, to decide to write it Eric. Meodudlye 20:06, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

FIFA are a better authority on the matter than you. The obvious reasons are the relevant policy here on the English Wikipedia (WP:UE, all the references above, and the prior discussions above. I have asked for further input. Je suis vraiment désolé mes amis, mais vous êtes totalement faux. Neil ☎ 21:35, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Do you realise you are telling a french guy how to write his own name? Don't you find this a bit arrogant from your part? Why do you keep writing erroneous informations? This is just ridiculous. Moreover names are always written with diacritics. You can find thousands and thousands of example of this on en:. Oh and it is certainly inappropriate to use your admin powers to push your own POV as you have done, forbidding to rename the page as it should. Med 21:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

POV-pushing and english Wikipedia policy are not the same thing. I am not telling you how to spell your name, for all I care you can spell it Ẽŕį©. I am telling you how the Eric in Eric Cantona is spelled, on the English Wikipedia - it is spelled in line with our policy, (WP:UE), and per all the references I gave above. Neil ☎ 22:00, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia guidelines and the source agree that it's best to use "Eric" and not "Éric", regardless of whether that's the proper way to spell it. Wikidudeman ^(talk) 21:34, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

In (good) french, there is no accent on capital letters.

I can't believe such a mess for a so obvious matter, and still after all this time NOT A SINGLE CHANGE AT ALL??...this is just ridiculous (but so evidently disrepectful) ! - unless you already saw a doctor, I suggest you to take a better look on the german, italian, etc., versions if you really need to be convinced (which i doubt a lot : you can't ignore the truth)
TO CLOSE THE THING PROPERLY ONCE AND FOR ALL, PLEASE READ WHAT FOLLOWS : I don't know what you really stand for, & i don't care but you might also take a look at the Eric Satie page, and adopt this example : keep the "title" as you like it (or make it look more english with a "K" if you really like to make your struggle more effective & clear), but as the article reads his whole names the line after, i think it would be wise to put the diacritic at least there !!--89.80.67.108 (talk) 20:48, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

In the biography "Cantona: The rebel who would be king" Phillipe Auclair writes "Éric" throughout the entire thing. Surely, if it's good enough for his passport and his birth certificate, it's good enough for wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.180.64 (talk) 22:57, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Further to above i.e. there is now a valid ENGLISH LANGUAGE reference to Éric Cantona's proper name : Éric Cantona. "Not a single valid reference for "Éric" " —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.180.64 (talk) 23:05, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

In proper French (i.e. according to l'Académie française) one writes accents on proper names. "en français, l'accent a pleine valeur orthographique" http://french.about.com/library/writing/bl-capitalization3.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.1.36.160 (talk) 10:23, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

For some reason, English language users often don't seem to like accents. Re Talk:Celine Dion, where even the mentioning of her accented name didn't seem worth including in the article.--Paracel63 (talk) 12:21, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

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Neutral

Try to be more neutral, this is not a fan-page. 188.113.95.213 (talk) 16:36, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

The statement you're trying to delete is not the expression of the opinion of Wikipedia editors, it's a critic's comment about Eric Cantona. Including such commentary is common practice on Wikipedia. AntiDionysius (talk) 16:37, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

A comment from critics that is also a fan of Manchester United is not neutral. 188.113.95.213 (talk) 16:40, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

It's not meant to be neutral. Wikipedia itself is meant to be neutral, but it can report the non-neutral views of others, where that is notable. AntiDionysius (talk) 16:41, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the Paul Henderson but Paul Doyle and Michael Cox definitely don't support United. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 16:47, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

All contents on Wikipedia IS supposed to be neutral, it's not supposed to be fan-pages. 188.113.95.213 (talk) 16:44, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

From the guideline on neutrality:

It is appropriate to note how an artist or a work has been received by prominent experts, critics, and the general public. For instance, the article on Shakespeare should note that he is widely considered one of the greatest authors in the English language by both scholars and the general public...More generally, it is sometimes permissible to note a subject's reputation when that reputation is widespread and potentially informative or of interest to readers. Articles on creative works should provide an overview of their common interpretations, preferably with citations to experts holding those interpretations.

AntiDionysius (talk) 16:49, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

The style of play section is neutral as it both praises and criticises him for his qualities and limitations and it is reliably source. This is also the case with similar sections on good articles of other footballers.

Best regards, Messirulez (talk) 15:47, 19 March 2024 (UTC)