Talk:Eleanor of Castile/GA1

GA Review

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Nominator: JimKillock (talk · contribs) 15:18, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Jens Lallensack (talk · contribs) 22:09, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

I will review soon! --Jens Lallensack (talk) 22:09, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• 1241 – 28 – the en dash (–) is written without spaces, e.g. 5–8.

• Castilian - link?

• In the lead, you have "Edward built a stone cross". I would add "known as Eleanor crosses" here, and where that term is mentioned later in the lead, unlink that second mention. Otherwise it does not become clear that the second mention of the crosses refers to the same thing.

• her elder brother Ferdinand was born in 1239/40, her younger brother Louis in 1242/43, and two sons who were born after Louis's death in childhood. – Should "sons" be "brothers", as they were not her sons?

• Should the section "Birth" be "Birth and childhood", since it's not just about birth?

• Ferdinand III's heir Alfonso X of Castile – Eleanor's half-brother – It was already mentioned that he is her half-brother, but I think that repeating this helps the reader to keep track of the names, so I suggest keeping it!

• titular duke – link or explain?

• other women members – "female members"?

• this custom was so important Edward – "to" missing?

• Edward was greatly affected by Eleanor's death, – Not sure if this paragraph should be under "Death"? Otherwise readers may not find that information when they do not read the entire article.

• initiated this process; He – he, in lower case.

• to mediate disputes of a between nobles – stray words here

• , he would speak with the queen and that the business would end happily for the bishop – grammar off here?

• scriptorium, illuminator – link both?

• caption: The Alphonso Psalter, believed to have been commissioned by Eleanor – What is a psalter, can it be linked?

• After Eleanor succeeded her mother as Countess of Ponthieu in 1279, – This seems to be mentioned only en passant in the "cultural and other interests" section. Anything else to say about this role as Countess of Ponthieu?

• accounts reveal he corresponding – "her"?

• is also evidence Eleanor she exchanged – grammar

• Eleanor is assumed to have spoken French, – only French, or English, too?

• including the use of water features – a common feature – Repeats "feature" two times. What exactly do you mean with "water feature"? As a descriptive term it is very general, can you specify?

• Gloriette – link? No idea what it is.

• The nature of the medicines is not specified so the nature of Eleanor's illness cannot be deduced until in late 1287, while she was in Gascony – Grammar does not match, "when" instead of "while" maybe, along with corresponding grammar changes?

• From the time of the return from Gascony, – I can't remember this mentiomed earlier? Did she reside in Gascony while she was queen?

• Puritans – link?

• loans. according to – Upper case at start of sentence.

• Eleanor's reputation began to become more positive following the 1643 publication of Sir Richard Baker's A History of the Kings of England, which retold the myth of Eleanor saving her husband at Acre. Thereafter, Eleanor's reputation was largely positive – When her reputation was largely positive after 1643, why were the crosses destroyed between 1643 and 1646?

• The "clarification tag" has to be resolved.

• The "See also" section with the single entry "infante" seems questionable to me; not sure why that particular article is important.

• All sources are of high quality, and come with precise page numbers.

• Image review:
  • Image caption: Edward I & II Prince of Wales, portrayed in 1301, some eleven years after Eleanor's death – Why is the prince of Whales relevant? He is not even mentioned in the article.
  • Image caption: Eleanor – can this caption be expanded to state that it is a statue and where it is located, on what building?
  • The images "Eleanor of Castile sucks the poison" and "Eleanor's tomb effigy" sandwich left and right, just place one a bit further up and the other a bit further down to avoid that.
  • Image caption: Eleanor's tomb effigy in Westminster Abbey – What is that image? A drawing? Could be stated in the caption.

• Very well-written article, and one that I would like to see at WP:FAC. Hope the above nitpicks help. Appologies for posting minor changes too rather than fixing them myself; I did not edit myself because I was reading the article offline. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 18:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks very much @Jens Lallensack, I will try to fix these this weekend. Jim Killock (talk) 06:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

These need doing still:

• *After Eleanor succeeded her mother as Countess of Ponthieu in 1279, – This seems to be mentioned only en passant in the "cultural and other interests" section. Anything else to say about this role as Countess of Ponthieu? needs checking

Done / content added re land acquisitions. More could be said about the process of acquisition of the province but it is potentially a lot of detail. --Jim Killock (talk) 19:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• From the time of the return from Gascony, – I can't remember this mentiomed earlier? Did she reside in Gascony while she was queen?

Gascony is mentioned in the para above. I've amended to say when she returned and to give better sourcing of these sentences. --Jim Killock (talk) 17:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Gloriette – link? No idea what it is. hard to explain briefly but this should be addressed per MOS

Linked, clarified. --Jim Killock (talk) 17:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Image caption: Edward I & II Prince of Wales, portrayed in 1301, some eleven years after Eleanor's death – Why is the prince of Whales relevant? He is not even mentioned in the article.

The PoW is the son of monarch, Eleanor's son, so titled while he was not the King. Caption clarified. --Jim Killock (talk) 17:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Eleanor's reputation began to become more positive following the 1643 publication of Sir Richard Baker's A History of the Kings of England, which retold the myth of Eleanor saving her husband at Acre. Thereafter, Eleanor's reputation was largely positive – When her reputation was largely positive after 1643, why were the crosses destroyed between 1643 and 1646?

The crosses were destroyed as they were redolent of Catholicism, a separate matter to her personal reputation. This is kind of implied at the bit about Parliament's Committee for the Demolition of Monuments of Superstition and Idolatry being responsible for at least one removal, I will see if I can find some other source explaining this. --Jim Killock (talk) 17:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Edited to make this clearer Jim Killock (talk) 07:21, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• The "clarification tag" has to be resolved.

Done --Jim Killock (talk) 18:29, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Image caption: Eleanor – can this caption be expanded to state that it is a statue and where it is located, on what building?

Done --Jim Killock (talk) 17:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

This: 1241 – 28 – the en dash (–) is written without spaces, e.g. 5–8. was reverted by an editor. --Jim Killock (talk) 17:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

That's all the feedback dealt with @Jens Lallensack. --Jim Killock (talk) 19:30, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, looks good. The sources are of high quality, too, and I don't see issues. However, you list several works that are not cited in the article as far as I can see (e.g., Reynolds, Gordon (2023), Tolan, John (2023), and probably others); these should be removed or moved to the "Further reading" section. But that being a minor point, I am happy to promote this now. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 20:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

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