Talk:Chrysanthemum

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Description

Can somebody add some better descriptions of the flowers that are included in this genus, and what sets them apart? I.e. how can one identify a chrysanthemum (for example, to impress your girlfriend). The flowers in the pictures on this page look very different from each other.

Also, what the heck does this mean: "Today’s flowers are not as bright or large as ‘show’ varieties."

History

"Various cultivars of chrysanthemums created in the Edo period were characterized by a remarkable variety of flower shapes, and were exported to China from the end of the Edo period, changing the way Chinese chrysanthemum cultivars were grown and their popularity.[15][16]" The references here ([15][16]) are not very trustworthy. Both of them mentioned that the Japanese chrysanthemums were re-introduced to China with no further explanation or historical resources used, [16] also mentioned it changed the style of chrysanthemums in China, and also didn't provide any reliable resources (only using phrases like" someone said that"). Therefore, I believe this sentence and related resources need to be evaluated again, as history cannot live without evidence or first-hand records.

Japanese name

July 28, 2005 edited "shingiku (シンギク)" with the correct "shungiku (春菊[シュンギク])" - genehardesty@gmail.com

I believe it's "kiku", actually. I don't know what that shun/shin is doing in front of it. But then again, I'm only in Japanese 200 so I could be wrong. - vincent.markham@gmail.com (71.112.143.26 01:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC))

菊 is for the flower in general, 春菊 (Garland chrysanthemum) is a specific type of 菊, so it is correct in the context of the article Shogyou Mujou 21:45, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Good you may read Kanji - We cannot - Shungiku is the Japanese for the English name Garland Chrysanthemum which is a particular genus of the specie Chrysanthemum

However Kiku is the japanese common name for the specie BUT typically only in reference to the genus that are consumed. Which is commonally just the Yellow and White varieties of several genus. I have no idea what the seed packet labels would read for the varieties that are not eaten. 80.5.219.60 (talk) 17:38, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

"Kiku" changes to "giku" when in compound form, just as "sakura" changes to "zakura." 69.215.155.4 (talk) 04:57, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Careful, treading on ice with that statement. Commonly with Japanese Words the s- will change to z- in hte compound. However, the Japanese word for Pomegranate is "Zakuro" which is easily confused in speach by foreigners. 80.5.219.60 (talk) 17:38, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

symbolism

Question. The Chrysanthemum is symbolic of death in china? Is it not also the royal crest and the subject of a Festival of Happiness? This seems contradictory to me. Can anyone confirm and find a reference? -- Eyvin 00:57, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes and no. It IS the traditional flower used during funerals (especially white chrysanthemums).

And yes, it is the royal Imperial crest (along with the crest of various other royal houses during the Feudal era). To be, it's not that contradictory. It's a sign of respect (of course, you don't go giving someone hospitalized white chrysanthemums, especially planted ones). - genehardesty@gmail.com (March 16, 2006)

The Chrysanthemum is the Imperial crest of japan. Someone smarter then me should verify this and stick it in there. - vincent.markham@gmail.com (71.112.143.26 01:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC))

nutrition

Chrysanthemum is consumed in china in a variety of ways? Can anyone let us know about its nutritional components such as carbohydrate (e.g.starch etc) contents and the different kinds of sugars in it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hussainahmad (talk • contribs) ou mean

If by flowers you actually mean their petals, the nutritional content is negligible - You'd have to consume pounds if you want an intake of carbs or sugars.

Additionally, they are widely consumed in Korea & Japan - Commonly in Miso Soup, but they are presented in various ways and various genus are consumed. 80.5.219.60 (talk) 17:38, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

petals

Is it a silly question to ask how many petals chrysanthemums have? I see they are dicots, which of course have multiples of 4 or 5, but these have quite a lot of petals. Can anyone explain the evolutionary purpose of this modification? Misterniceguy7 20:40, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm guessing by "petal" you mean ray floret? See Asteraceae for a few details. SB Johnny 15:22, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks... I should have just looked into it a little more in the first place. Misterniceguy7 01:57, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguation of the genus needed

Might be a good idea to have a separate page to disambiguate this genus, as nurseries, florae, etc. often use names within the genus that are no longer in the genus. Redirects might also be a wise idea. I'll post on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Horticulture_and_Gardening as well. SB Johnny 15:25, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Potent Insectidal Propreties?

Is it possible to use the pyrethroid macromolecules present in Chrysanthemum as an insecticide in a similar fashion as used in commercial bug-sprays? If so, then how can one extract & utilize the pyrethroids? Vader1941 18:52, 4 September 2006 (UTC)vader1941

Related issue- has anyone verified that pyrethins prevent female mosquitoes from biting? I noticed that this was an unreferenced comment in the article. They are insecticidal, but to my knowledge do nothing to prevent biting, but rather, they affect development. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.173.82.81 (talk) 17:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

There is a link now to see also the wiki Article for Persian powder that may or may not address this. 80.5.219.60 (talk) 17:38, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

plural

Should the plural for "Chrysanthemum" be "Chrysanthema"? Latin neuter nouns ending in -um normally have the plural -a, eg Bacteria. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jontsang (talk • contribs) 18:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC).

According to the wiktionary page, it is from Greek. --Soliloquial (talk) 05:04, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

The Latin spelling for this genus of plants is Chrysanthemum, which is from the Greek word Khrysanthemon. 80.5.219.60 (talk) 17:38, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

== The semitic root ==

There is no really a greek root CHRYS. Assuming that the last part in the greek word 'Chrysos' is not a part of the root, CHRYS is very connected to the hebrew literaly word for gold: Haruts, and it's not a coincidence that the hebrew word for "Chrysanthemum" is Hartsith ('Goldenlike'), from the same canaanite root, which probable found its way into greek via phoenician, which shared the same word as in hebrew. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.120.113.114 (talk) 02:07, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

"Smelly"

Well, I saw this in the article:

Modern chrysanthemums are much more smelly than people tend to think or believe.

and don't quite see how it is informative or factual. It seems to be someone's opinion... --Soliloquial (talk) 20:27, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

---Big Mistake--- I dont know how to fix it but i will let you know and im sure someone here knows. There is a pic at the bottom of this page, its a japanese representation of the crys flower. the title under it is a dead link to the " yashakuni shrine" thats a transiteration error. its really spelled the "yasukuni shrine". wiki already has a good article on the real shrine. Please fix it.

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Famous short story by John Steinbeck

http://www.enotes.com/chrysanthemums Ykral (talk) 10:20, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

While User Ykral didn't do anything other than link the story, I believe this is an important story about trust where the chrysanthemums play an important role. It should be added to the article under either symbolism, for what they symbolize in the story, or under US culture because the story was written by an American writer and it took place in his home of the Salinas Valley in California.PeachGuy (talk) 23:20, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

better

I have tried to clean up the grammer, syntax, image layout and non factual content but the article still seems very amateur. If anyone else can help that would be great

Mother's Day

I think it's used more because it has the word "Mum" in it than simply because it's in season. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.198.124.45 (talk) 06:19, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

chrysanthemum in India

Why there is no information about chrysanthemum in India?

Pl include it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.116.251.235 (talk) 05:02, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Santinis?

It would be helpful if this page contained a definition of what the Santini group or Santini type chrysanthemums are, as retail florists sometimes use this term. Nadiatalent (talk) 23:35, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

florist's chrysanthemum

The NASA Clean Air Study mentions "Florist's chrysanthemum (Chrysanthemum morifolium)".

The article "Hardy garden mum (Chrysanthemum morifolium)" says "Hardy garden mum (Chrysanthemum morifolium) [has a] Looser habit than florist mums", implying that a "Hardy garden mum" is not the same thing as a florist's chrysanthemum.

I came to this chrysanthemum article hoping it would clear up this contradiction.

Could someone please add an explicit statement to this article saying exactly which species name (or group of species?) corresponds to "Florist's chrysanthemum"? Could someone please add an explicit statement to this article saying exactly which species name (or group of species?) corresponds to "Hardy garden mum"? Thank you. --DavidCary (talk) 16:55, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Chrysanthemum scientific classification (Taxonomy)

Hello, There is inconsistency with the location of the Genus Chrysanthemum.

1. In the article Genus Chrysanthemum: Chrysanthemum belongs to the Tribe Anthemideae.

2. In the article Species Chrysanthemum morifolium: Chrysanthemum belongs to the Tribe Astereae.

3. In the articles Species Chrysanthemum coronarium, Chrysanthemum boreale and Chrysanthemum pacificum: Chrysanthemum belongs to the Family Asteraceae.

Note:

4. In the articles Anthemideae tribe: Anthemideae tribe was divided into 14 subtribes of which Chrysanthemum is listed as a Selected genera.

5. In the articles Astereae tribe: Chrysanthemum is NOT listed as a Selected genera.

I believe that this is an inconsistency and would like to know where the genus Chrysanthemum actually belongs.

I also understand that this can be disputed, but that the AGP III classification system is the accepted standard.

Thanks --Paul Boby (talk) 12:43, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Chrysanthemum scientific classification (Taxonomy)

Hello, There is inconsistency with the location of the Genus Chrysanthemum.

1. In the article Genus Chrysanthemum: Chrysanthemum belongs to the Tribe Anthemideae.

2. In the article Species Chrysanthemum morifolium: Chrysanthemum belongs to the Tribe Astereae.

3. In the articles Species Chrysanthemum coronarium, Chrysanthemum boreale and Chrysanthemum pacificum: Chrysanthemum belongs to the Family Asteraceae.

Note:

4. In the articles Anthemideae tribe: Anthemideae tribe was divided into 14 subtribes of which Chrysanthemum is listed as a Selected genera.

5. In the articles Astereae tribe: Chrysanthemum is NOT listed as a Selected genera.

I believe that this is an inconsistency and would like to know where the genus Chrysanthemum actually belongs.

I also understand that this can be disputed, but that the AGP III classification system is the accepted standard.

Thanks --Paul Boby (talk) 12:43, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Chrysanthemum as a Japanese euphemism

This is a culturally-significant usage, so maybe it should be included? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.27.125.10 (talk) 07:56, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Environmental Uses citation error

Information is accurate but citation not relevant. The NASA study of that year did not test Chrysanthemum. Several later of these NASA studies did. Here are two examples (note the years)

Wolverton, B. C., et al. A study of interior landscape plants for indoor air pollution abatement: an interim report. NASA. September, 1989.

Wolverton, B. C. and J. D. Wolverton. (1993). Plants and soil microorganisms: removal of formaldehyde, xylene, and ammonia from the indoor environment.Journal of the Mississippi Academy of Sciences 38(2), 11-15. Aliasfakename123 (talk) 06:46, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

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Merge of material needed

This article should be about the botanical genus Chrysanthemum. All but a short summary of the material about the garden hybrids should be split off from here and merged into Chrysanthemum × morifolium, where some of it is duplicated. Peter coxhead (talk) 13:26, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• support Shorouq★The★Super★ninja2 (talk) 21:28, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Well, this seems to have happened, without the tag being removed, which I will do now. Johnbod (talk) 17:58, 20 September 2023 (UTC)