Talk:Christian Democracy (Italy)

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Christian Democracy (Italy, historical)

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Here is the list of P2 members (I selected a non-italian site just for better "objectivity"): http://www.amnistia.net/news/gelli/lesnoms.htm

Mrs. Tina Anselmi, president of parliamentar inquiry commission on P2 was from DC.

Let's keep propaganda out of facts, please.


Presuming that enough informations are easily available on the web for a better idea of what P2 was and represented, and having seen no re-correction to the article in a reasonable time, I have to conclude that DC was effectively "tarnished from 1981 onward" (while I was ingenuously convinced that, apart from premier Forlani resigning due to a late divulgation of these lists, and ordinary political propaganda by leftists, nothing more of notable had disturbed this party about P2, to the point that Tina Anselmi, a DC, was named to judge it with the agreement of PCI).

Funny: DC "was" tarnished because P2 was projecting a golpe when the same DC was running Italy... (of course it was involved).

However, I'm not going now to censor the official version; who am I to do it?


Don't you think the Post WW2 period was important in the uprising of the Christian Democratic Party in Italy. Shouldn't that type of information be included? I am working on it right now. Bakjaewon (talk) 22:50, 21 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

Cosa Nostra

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Shouldn't there be a mention of Cosa Nostra? -- Error

Piazza del Gesù

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Should it be mentioned that the DC site, the P2 site and Il Gesù Jesuit church are all located in the same Piazza del Gesù? --Error 02:06, 2 October 2005 (UTC)Reply

DC in government from 1945 to ??

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According to an old book I have (from 1992) the DC had been continously in government from 1945 to that point in time. But what is the end point of this continuous time in government? Were they part of the government all the time up to the formation of the first Berlusconi-government??--Oddeivind (talk) 10:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

1994. --Checco (talk) 15:37, 6 December 2007 (UTC)Reply
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In reference 17 where there should be a link to the letters Moro wrote critically of Andreotti is a link to a business hosting website Yepa. Perhaps we can find a link to a source of actual script of these letters. ThisisnotDavid1154 (talk) 20:20, 25 August 2016 (UTC)ThisisnotDavid1154Reply


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It is a non-written custom of Wikipedia to have the last logo of a party in the infobox, it doesn't matter whether it is a current party or a former party, while previous logos should be included in the article's text. The last symbol of DC, used since the 1980s, is File:DC Logo.png, while the earlier one is File:DC PPI Shield.png. The former will stay in the infobox, the latter in the article's text. I hope new users understand this non-written custom and comply to it.

I take this opportunity to ask users to find the last logo of the Italian Socialist Party (carnation) in order to include it in the article's infobox.

--Checco (talk) 15:11, 15 January 2010 (UTC)Reply

What are your sources? We don't find them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.45.156.70 (talk) 15:46, 15 January 2010 (UTC)Reply

Sources? There are plenty! I have even a facs-simile electoral ballot of 1992 at home! An interesting book DC posters is Che fine ha fatto la DC? by Claudio Baccarin. Please stop exchanging the symbols. --Checco (talk) 15:58, 15 January 2010 (UTC)Reply
So, you can post the images you have. At this time, your affirmations are unreferenced. I hope you understand you need to prove what are you saying, before changing the page. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.45.156.70 (talk) 16:01, 15 January 2010 (UTC)Reply
You too, especially you as WHAT you are telling is unreferenced. If you don't remember the last logo of DC is not my problem, it is your problem. --Checco (talk) 16:03, 15 January 2010 (UTC)Reply

[1] All the sources you need about my affirmations. What can I find YOUR presumptive logo?--79.45.156.70 (talk) 16:07, 15 January 2010 (UTC)Reply

I told you one source. In order to see the electoral ballot of 1992 you can see:
  • Luigi Morgano, Remo Sissa, Itinerari di educazione civica, La Scuola, Brescia 1993, p. 184.
--Checco (talk) 16:14, 15 January 2010 (UTC)Reply
Ps: Please provide yourself of a nickname so that I can recognize you evry time I meet you. I will tell you my opinion about the changes you made to the articles in your talk page or in article talks! --Checco (talk) 16:22, 15 January 2010 (UTC)Reply

Please post a pic of that book: en.wiki rules about images are more free than it.wiki. Excuse me if I don't believe you, but you said "in fact that was the logo DC used in 1987 and 1992!" [2], and at least for the first year, your affirmations are evidently false: [3] (and in 1990 we are only 3 years before DC's disbanding).--79.45.156.70 (talk) 16:25, 15 January 2010 (UTC)Reply

You can call me "NumberOne".--79.45.156.70 (talk) 16:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC)Reply

NumberOne?
It is true that in some posters DC continued to use the shield alone, but, as I told you, in the last elections (definitely 1992 as I saw in the book I cited). I'm sorry if you don't believe me but this is your problem: I had been a respected user of en.Wiki for many years and I don't like to be treated in this way. You can see a facs-simile of the 1992 electoral ballot here. Even if your total rollbacks were completely against the rules of Wikipedia, I chose not to rollback you again in order to let you understand I'm intrested in discussing with you. I wrote a message for you in Talk:Politics of Lombardy.
--Checco (talk) 16:49, 15 January 2010 (UTC)Reply

Ok, your source is now a good source. But I still think that a one-time logo is less relevant than a logo used dozens of times.
It we are speaking about nazism, we can not give a more relevant place to Karl Donotz than Adolf Hitler, only by the fact that it was the last leader, don't you agree? NumberOne--79.45.156.70 (talk) 17:03, 15 January 2010 (UTC)Reply

This is not what we usually do in en.Wiki, but I coul agree with you. Let's other users' opinions. --Checco (talk) 18:07, 15 January 2010 (UTC)Reply

I generally agree with you when a party had a series of logos with quite the same duration (as PSI), but you see, here we are speaking about a 1:49 ratio..... NumberOne--79.24.129.86 (talk) 14:45, 18 January 2010 (UTC)Reply

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DC ideology

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Greetings, all. Allow me to dispute statements presented as fact in the article.

Christian Democracy or Democrazia Cristiana (DC) was never a centrist party. The source invoked (Derbyshire, Derbyshire Political Systems Of The World, 1989) has the party as "Christian centrist" in the sense that it was not a hard-line religious, Christian party. DC was above all else a conservative and anti-communist party (Newell The Politics of Italy: Governance in a Normal Country, 2010). Also, not a "catch-all" party per se but a party that employed "a catch-all" strategy that was supposed to "reach beyond the ranks of the Catholic faithful and allow it to successfully act as the [country's] main bulwark against communism" (Newell, ibid). Giuseppe Dossetti, co-founder of the party, was clear since the beginning that this would be un movimento conservatore ("a conservative movement"). The CIA in its reports was typically referring to the DC's "conservatism," even when qualifying it as "mild." We should also point out the various positions adopted by DC throughout its history on the defining issues of divorce (see Divorce in Italy), abortion (see Ergas, Yasemine "Feminism and the Italian Party System: Women's Politics in a Decade of Turmoil"), extramarital sex (Ergas ibid), gay marriage, etc. The Christian Democrats steadfastly stood alongside the Vatican in opposing any liberalisation on these issues. The proper term to denote DC, therefore, per sources, is "conservative." -The Gnome (talk) 18:03, 12 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

I respect your opinion, but I do not think it is based on sources and, above all, lacks historical perspective. Premise: we are talking about a party disbanded in 1994, thus some of its "conservative" positions were held also by some centre-left parties in the fifty years after WWI (just think of Ireland's Labour Party or, for that matter, United States' Democratic Party—even more recently Obama opposed same-sex marriage when he first ran for President). The DC was a broad-church party aiming at the "political unity of Catholics" and, as such, included right-wingers, centrists and left-wingers—no surprise that its heirs are now active in all mainstream political parties of Italy, from the right-wing Brothers of Italy to the centre-left Democratic Party (most of the latter's leaders are former Christian Democrats). This said, the DC's political position was centrist, as it was at the centre of Italian politics, with MSI and PLI at its right and PRI, PSDI, PSI and PCI at its left, but we do not really need to define its ideology as "centrist" as the party was mainly and unequivocally "Christian-democratic". --Checco (talk) 14:10, 15 July 2022 (UTC)Reply