Talk:Cheerleader (Porter Robinson song)

Notability

Songs are not notable unless they satisfy WP:NSONG. Coverage about the release of a song, articles regurgitating press releases, etc., do not satisfy notability criteria, including those listed in WP:GNG. If published to mainspace, this would likely be redirected to Porter Robinson article; or be AfD'ed. Incubate in draft space until actual notability has been established. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:06, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Moved from User talk:Skyshifter

@Bastun: It meets WP:GNG. It has five reliable sigcov sources. Skyshiftertalk 11:05, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Which is basically the same as what NSONG says: "Songs and singles are probably notable if they have been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the artist and label." Skyshiftertalk 11:07, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Please read the rest of WP:SONG. Press releases about the release of a song are not significant. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:14, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Bastun Many of the sources present original commentary on the song and music video. i.e. when a source says "It's decidedly much more of a pop anthem with emo undertones than his usual electro house music." and no other source does, it's clear the sources aren't merely publishing the press release. Skyshiftertalk 11:22, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Many of the sources? There are five. Two are practically identical (one of those should be removed!) and another pretty much repeats those three sentences and includes another couple of trivia snippets, with the one-line review above. One is three sentences long. One just describes the accompanying music video (and reposts a tweet that just has the artist's name and the song name). This is absolutely not multiple,[2] non-trivial[3] published works. Now, again, read the rest of WP:SONG: Notability aside, a standalone article is appropriate only when there is enough material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album. A standalone article about a song should satisfy the above criteria. Any of the following factors suggest that a song or single may be notable enough that a search for coverage in reliable independent sources will be successful: Has been ranked on national or significant music or sales charts. (Note again that this indicates only that a song may be notable, not that it is notable.); Has won one or more significant awards or honors, such as a Grammy, Latin Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award.; Has been independently released as a recording by several notable artists, bands, or groups.

Bottom line, no newly released single merits an article within a day or so of release, unless, possibly, if its been released by a major, internationally known artist. Another editor is on my talk page suggesting that instead of draftifying, I should have redirected the article to the Porter Robinson article. Would you prefer that? Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:37, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

@Skyshifter: I mostly agree with Bastun's characterization of this song's notability, which is why I tagged the article with {{Notability}} when it was in mainspace earlier. Next time around I'd recommend starting your work in draftspace if you're not certain there are enough sources readily available. Here's a quick source assessment:

• EDM.com: questionable reliability, about one paragraph of interpretive material — no SIGCOV
• Clash: generally reliable, one paragraph — no SIGCOV
• The Line of Best Fit: press release
• Our Culture: press release
• Uproxx: generally reliable, couple of paragraphs describing the video mixed in with commentary — debatable SIGCOV
• People: generally reliable, one paragraph — no SIGCOV

Long story short, we just need to wait a little for some more sources to come around for this one. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 16:26, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Side note: Bastun, please do not move pages back to draftspace if they've been draftified before, per WP:DRAFTOBJECT, especially if you were involved with reviewing the article before. If an editor moves a draft back to mainspace, the next course of action from an NPP standpoint would be to nominate it for deletion. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 16:38, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

So noted, thanks. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 08:51, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Cheerleader (Porter Robinson song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Skyshifter (talk · contribs) 01:57, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: MaranoFan (talk · contribs) 14:50, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Skyshifter. I will be completing this review within this week. I am currently trying to get a review on Get Him Back! in case you want to consider giving one back. Hope you are having a great week so far.--NØ 14:50, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

• I noticed Robinson is described as a "musician" here, "electronic music producer" on Virtual Self (EP), and "DJ, record producer, and singer-songwriter" on his biography. Do you think the descriptors from the other articles would be more appropriate by any chance? Usually an artist is described the same way on all their articles.
  • Recently I've been writing song articles using the "musician" descriptor most of the time because it is the most generic of all descriptors. Robinson produces, composes, and sings in his songs, so I think it's fair to use a simple descriptor.
• "An electropop song, multiple critics noted the contrast between its melody and lyrics, the latter of which deals with parasocial relationships, and described it as being influenced by emo." - Since the lead is small, it would be okay to break this into separate sentences for better reading.
  • Done
• Mention that Robinson wrote the song himself in the lead
  • Done
• "his new "incoming era"" - Does incoming era really require a direct quote? Seems easily paraphrasable
  • Done
• Based on what this source is saying, it seems synth-pop could be added as a genre to the infobox and lead?
  • Done
• Where's the source for the song being released on Mom + Pop and as the lead single from Smile! :D? The release history table needs a source too. Use Apple Music or some other store if a secondary source does not provide this information.
  • Done; removed release history
• The peak on the Billboard chart seems to have happened after the music video and critical reviewers were released, so chronologically it should be included at the end of the Release and reception section.
  • Done

Great. Putting onhold.--NØ 13:09, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

@MaranoFan: all responded! Skyshiftertalk 18:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Nicely done. It's a pass.--NØ 18:38, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

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