Talk:Cheems

Requested move 29 September 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved with votes 5-2 (six if including requestor) and a supportive comment from the creator(non-admin closure) JacobTheRox (talk) 11:12, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

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Balltze → Cheems – Cheems is the WP:COMMONNAME of Balltze. It is also the name most predominantly used in the titles of reliable sources. Google trends shows that Cheems is a more common search term by far. The country with the highest ratio of Balltze searches compared to Cheems is Bosnia and Herzegovina, with 79% Cheems to 21% Balltze. If it helps, Know Your Meme uses Cheems as well (here). The owners also often referred to the dog as "Balltze Cheems" or "Cheems Balltze" (here and here}. I personally think this move is not controversial, but at the same time I would like a consensus to be reached before the page is moved. JacobTheRox (talk) 16:53, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: I'm the original creator and I'm not against any move to a WP:COMMONNAME as long as the move is wholly consistent, in that the lead specifies this is about a meme and the categories are about a meme, just like how it is done on the Doge (meme) page. I would say Doge is different because of the decade-long existence of the meme and that there has not been as much biographical coverage of Kabosu the dog. The Spanish Wikipedia article, which existed first, is named and framed like the meme and would be the example to follow in case of a move. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:03, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose One is a real dog, the other is a fictional meme. They should not be confused. It's possible two articles should be created if both the dog and the meme are individually notable. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:10, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support. The meme is notable, not the dog. Kabosu (dog) redirects to Doge (meme); same idea here. 162 etc. (talk) 18:52, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support per @162 etc. Killuminator (talk) 21:08, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose This article is about the dog, Balltze. A "Cheems" article would be primarily about a different subject, the meme. As his owner said for him, "Remember me as ‘Balltze,’ not ‘Cheems’ or ‘cheemsburger,’ I'm just a Balltze." For "Balltze" and "Cheems" pages, I do think there should only be one or the other with a redirect, but I personally think it's better as is, with the Balltze page covering the dog and the memes derived from him. As a matter of notability they're tied together (Balltze is much more inherently connected with the Cheems meme than i.e. Doge and Kabosu), and almost all of this page's sources are about Balltze himself and then explaining the meme. Chubby Bub (talk) 02:13, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
• Support it is obvious that Cheems is the widely used WP:COMMONNAME. ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 03:50, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
• Support per all the above. The dog is notable because of the meme; pretty much all the references frame it in this context too. –GnocchiFan (talk) 11:29, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
• Support principally per 162 etc. If retitled, the article will need a bit of restructuring to be foremost about the meme, but that shouldn't stand in the way of an overall beneficial move. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:46, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Two things to bring up.

1. For all the edit warring between leukemia and leukaemia, I'm starting to doubt if it was that cancer at all. This may be a confusion with Kabosu (Doge) who definitely has had leukaemia. [1] I've lost count of all the mainstream media sources that have confused these two dogs' images and lives. I don't think there's any statement from the Balltze account that it was leukaemia.

2. Can we get a consensus from native-level Chinese speakers what "Balltze" means? Certainly when I search the symbols on Google images, I get marbles. Does the name mean marble or a small ball in general? Remember the dog is named specifically after the Ramune bottle. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:02, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

cheems

born: 9/jan/2011

died: 18/aug2023 2601:153:4081:7A00:5540:8A45:5071:B372 (talk) 21:18, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes that's true and it's in the article and the infobox. Unknown Temptation (talk) 21:47, 24 November 2023 (UTC)