Talk:Chand Sifarish

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Sohom Datta talk 13:33, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that "Chand Sifarish" peaked at #1 on the popularity charts?

• Source: https://www.hindustantimes.com/india/fanaa-songs-rule-the-charts/story-w9YiM8eCZSj34WaDKEKePI.html

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Created by KunalAggarwal95 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 17:33, 28 June 2024 (UTC).

• The article was recently recreated from a redirect so if tools say this is an old article then that is inaccurate. Thus the article is technically eligible. There are however multiple major issues with the nomination right now. The first is that the article is in need of a copyedit, and second, the hook is too vague and broad to meet WP:DYKINT. It lacks context (it doesn't make it unambiguously clear that the subject is a song), and the "#1 on the popularity charts" claim also lacks context. I should also note that the article isn't more specific about which charts are being referred to here either, so that is also an issue with the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't have any information about those popularity charts. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 10:42, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

If that's the case then that hook can't run as it won't pass scrutiny on either WT:DYK or WP:ERRORS. A new hook will need to be proposed here, but if one can't, then the nom will be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

New hook: ALT1 ... that the song "Chand Sifarish" was produced in the voice of Kishore Kumar and Mohammed Rafi, with the help of Artificial intelligence. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 10:16, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

The context of that hook is a bit unclear. Did you mean the song was covered by Kumar and Rafi with the help of AI? Given this is a music-related hook, maybe Launchballer can come up with a clearer and more grammatically-correct wording. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

If the hook is telling me what I think it's trying to tell me, then I would suggest words to the effect of ALT1a: ... that an AI-generated cover of Shaan and Kailash Kher's "Chand Sifarish" became popular on social media? Also, what makes The Times of India reliable?--Launchballer 13:01, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Just noting that the tools are saying this is an old article because it used to be one; the article was deleted at AfD in 2012. I think the AI stuff takes it over the line in terms of notability.--Launchballer 13:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

I understand that ToI has a yellow rating at WP:RSP, but the hook's claim seems uncontroversial and not something they likely made up. If there are no other sources that cover that information I don't think it should be an issue to use ToI in this particular case (unless this is one of their paid articles), but to be on the safe side maybe another source should be added to strengthen the claim. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

The hook belongs to Hindustan Times. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 17:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Have your concerns been resolved? If not, what else needs to be done to get this approved? Z1720 (talk) 01:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

The sourcing issue still needs to be addressed and Launchballer's objection be lifted. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:05, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

@KunalAggarwal95: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 02:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Source is reliable. https://www.hindustantimes.com/trending/what-if-kishore-kumar-and-rafi-sang-chand-sifarish-ai-made-video-impresses-people-101705313694145.html KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 07:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

I apologise if my original post was not clear. The two Times of India pieces are currently used to back up a claim of plagiarism and the winning of an award, which I regard as needing stronger sourcing. I have no objection with the Hindustan Times being used for the hook.--Launchballer 07:50, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Added another source for winning award. No other source found for plagiarism. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 17:04, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Then I suggest that you take that bit out and put something else in to take this back above 1500 characters.--Launchballer 17:15, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Check KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 08:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

No further objections from me, although for a low-profile individual like that fan, you probably shouldn't be including their name per WP:BLPNAME. I've removed this for you, and made a few other edits while at it. Also, without evidence that the 'popularity charts' are anything other than Hindustan Times' own chart, that had to come out per WP:SINGLEVENDOR. Passing you back to @Narutolovehinata5:.--Launchballer 08:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, we definitely can't run with ALT0. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that when Anshuman Sharma uploaded an AI-generated cover of Shaan and Kailash Kher's "Chand Sifarish" to Instagram, his post scored nearly five million views in two days?--Launchballer 13:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

ALT2 seems good. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 05:38, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Then another reviewer needs to tick it off.--Launchballer 14:19, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Apologies, I was under the impression that the above included a review. This is long enough, new enough, copyvio free and QPQ exempt. I don't see any reason why this might deserve a maintenance template. This still needs someone else to approve ALT2.--Launchballer 19:02, 6 August 2024 (UTC) Let's work with ALT2

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Seems good to go Cambalachero (talk) 13:38, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@KunalAggarwal95, Cambalachero, SL93, Narutolovehinata5, and Z1720: I really am sorry to pull this, but if I don't then someone else will (and given the threats at WT:DYK#QPQ timeouts to reject faulty QPQs, I point blank refuse to take any chances!). A recent edit by @Sohom Datta: took this below 1500 characters and this will need to be brought back up before this can run. Also noting that I haven't put this back on T:TDYK as I plan on putting this back in prep myself.--Launchballer 18:53, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

• Tagging with new icon pending the article's expansion above 1500 prose characters. However, I am putting this back in prep because Launchballer can't both review the new text and promote the nomination again, and this needs to be on the Nominations page in order to attract a reviewer once the expansion has been completed. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:17, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

 Done KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 06:49, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Alright, let's try this again.--Launchballer 07:55, 21 August 2024 (UTC)