Talk:Austrian People's Party

Article title

213, please try to keep our naming consistent. There's no reason to redirect to here from the ÖVP page, the ÖVP name is commonly used even in English articles about the party. People's Party is just a loose translation. --Eloquence

As I understand it, Wikipedi article titles should be in English whenever possible, with a redirect from the name in the original language. "Austrian People's Party" is a literal and faithful translation of Österreichische Volkspartei, and is the logical English name for this party. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions.

Well, since you've redirected FPÖ as well, and the English titles seem to be commonly used as per a Google check, I can live with that.--Eloquence

Not withstanding the naming fun, this is an impeccably useful article. Thank you to the editors. -Penta 05:19, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Uh... given that this article is basically mine at this point, that I'm a pretty new kid around here, and that I'm planning Massive Extensions of several other articles: do you really think the article is "impeccable", or is there anything I should have done differently? Anyway, you're perfectly welcome. -Ratatosk 05:47, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Contradiction

"The People's Party's position within the traditional political spectrum is hard to mark down. On the one hand, its views on economic policy are slightly right-of-center if seen in the context of Europe's political landscape, and its views on social policy are right-of-center in the context of the political landscape of almost any Western democracy.

On the other hand, its views on economic policy are still arguably closer to those of classical social democracy than to those of classical laissez-faire capitalism, and it advocates decidedly more economic interventionism than most ostensibly left-wing parties in Europe. "--194.65.151.249 11:39, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

What is there to say? I don't think that it's a huge contradiction, but that's my opinion. It is already explicitly stated in the article that "The People's Party's position within the traditional political spectrum is hard to mark down." I think that that is sufficient a statement, and don't believe that there is something to change, if you were inferring that. --Thallium81 (talk) 21:41, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

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OVP's color

Hi What do you think ? Does we changed OVP's black color to turquoise ? --Panam2014 (talk) 14:48, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

• request closure of RfC. This is an incorrectly formed request and confusing at best as there already seems to be color info on the party. Edaham (talk) 04:50, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
• Comment (Summoned by bot): The infobox mentions both cyan and black. What is the proposed change here? The RfC is unclear. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:41, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
• Comment (Summoned by bot): I suggest keeping it black. The party's official colour may be cyan (or turquoise?) but we use black for the party in National Council (Austria), Federal Council (Austria), and List of members of the European Parliament for Austria, 2014–19. Changing to a different colour would reduce contrast with other parties in the same parliaments that use similar colours: compare

  Austrian People's Party with

  European People's Party and

  Freedom Party of Austria.

Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 16:39, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

@Edaham, Ivanvector, and Cordless Larry: The RfC is correct. The question is whether we should change the color of the party in the representations by replacing the black with turquoise or do as for the CDU, whose official color is red, and leave the black color for the representations. --Panam2014 (talk) 11:23, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

@Panam2014: I don't mean to be rude but what you're saying doesn't make sense in English. I think your intention is getting lost in translation. Can you please explain what you mean by "representations"? Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 23:35, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

@IvanVector: I speak English and "representation" is a world in this language. Representation refers to the colors on the diagrams and in the composition bars. --Panam2014 (talk) 08:15, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Okay, I'm going to quote what you wrote: you said "we should change the color of the party in the representations by replacing the black with turquoise", and you also said in the same sentence, "leave the black color for the representations". So I'm confused: do you want to change black to turquoise? Or are you saying that it should be turquoise in some places and black in others? Also if you ping me, don't capitalize the V or I don't get the notification. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 15:19, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

@Ivanvector: Sorry, I was not clear. I just asked the question, I'm undecided myself, so I asked for more advice. Indeed, a dynamic ip address tries for a few weeks to change the colors without consensus. For my part, I prefer to keep the black, following the example of the CDU. --Panam2014 (talk) 17:54, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

I know this discussion is a couple years old already, but I wanted to share my view on this. There have been multiple edit wars on the German Wikipedia about this in the past, but as of now, we have settled that the color is chosen by how the ÖVP presents themselves in the regions: Nationally as well as in the states of Burgenland, Carinthia and Vienna, ÖVP uses the new look with its turquoise coloring. In all the other states, namely Lower Austria, Salzburg, Styria, Tyrol, Upper Austria and Vorarlberg, ÖVP keeps using the old black look for their websites and sometimes also their posters (technically they all use their own colors, such as black, different shades of grey, in Salzburg even a lighter turquoise, which has been there before the 2017 rebranding of the national party, and dark green in Styria, similar to how CDU does this in each German state they run in). The turquoise and black "factions", if you can call them that, are also associated with the general position of the party in the regions, turquoise being more right-wing liberal and black being more christian democratic. On the German Wikipedia, we color the party depending on the state the article is about (so pretty much just the state election and regional party articles), see this article for the election in Vienna and this article for the election in Salzburg. Should we start doing the same on the English Wikipedia? The way it is done currently (ÖVP being turquoise everywhere) is simply not correct and it honestly makes me a bit crazy. :P Grenzlinie (talk) 16:27, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Die neue Volkspartei

An IP editor has been edit-warring to change the translation of the party's native name. Their edits are incorrect: although the party may have changed its name to Die neue Volkspartei, it continues to refer to itself in English (on its own English website) as the "Austrian People's Party". This should not be changed in the article. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 23:29, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Right-wing populism?

Is it really appropriate to describe ÖVP as a right-wing populist party, given it is the traditional party of the Austrian establishment and centre? Kurz' may have adopted some right-wing populist themes, but this label seems excessive, especially after the breakup of his coalition with the FPÖ and the formation of the new government with the Greens. Currently there is only one source backing up this claim.--Jay942942 (talk) 11:51, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

For now, I'll just describe it as a political faction.--삭은사과 (talk) 12:18, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

No, it's not excessive. While I do agree with you that the ÖVP was a centre to centre-right christian social, conservative party, it has shifted soundly to the right under Kurz' chairmanship. And while Kurz, his team, and his proponents may only have constituted a faction of the party, they're now undoubtedly in the majority and so is the ideology of right-wing populism. Since Kurz has already largely reshaped his party and isn't expected to relinquish his power anytime soon, I think it's safe to say that this ideology isn't only a temporary phenomenon. And you don't need more than one reliable source to back this assertion as long as there is no contesting source. However, I wouldn't object stating in the article that right-wing populism primarily applies to the federal party and in a lesser to no extent to the state parties. Colonestarrice (talk) 16:38, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Party's Name

Is the part still registered as Österreichische Volkspartei, as opposed to the new name? The party's website has it registered as the new name at the bottom of its website. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 10:01, 27 January 2023 (UTC)