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@Bombur8 Per TRRE we'll discuss whether there's jun-yusho or not. Firstly, Japanese wiki doesn't mention the jun-ysho. Secondly, SumoDB doesn't mention jun-yusho. It is because Atamifuji lost not only on the fourteenth day but also on the fifteenth, and as he was no longer in a position to compete for the title unless Kirishima lost and he won, he's not jun-yusho. I saw that you had also added jun-yusho to Kotonowaka (who was no longer in contention for the title since day thirteen) and Ichiyamoto (also day thirteen), which is the opposite of the very definition of jun-yusho, as both of them were nowhere near a runner-up position anymore. Please stop. - OtharLuin (talk) 09:40, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
The Japanese page doesn't mention the previous jun-yusho either, so I'm not sure that's a good indicator (in fact, from browsing through a couple more pages, the Japanese Wikipedia doesn't seem to mention jun-yushos at all in the sumo career records). SumoDB doesn't mention Kirishima's yusho either nor the special prizes for this tournament yet, they need a bit of time to update.
Everywhere I have looked, the definition of jun-yusho is simply the second best record, there is no other condition, be it the need to be in contention at a given moment or a maximum win differences. Atamifuji, Kotonowaka and Ichiyamamoto all happen to fit that definition for this basho. Bombur8 (talk) 09:47, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
By the way, here is an older basho with an even bigger difference in wins between the yusho and the jun-yusho, so I hope this settles the conversation:
This might be the dumbest edit war I've ever witnessed on sumo articles (not that there's a long line of prior cases). *Of course* all of Kotonowaka/Atamifuji/Ichiyamamoto have finished in jun-yusho position for Kyushu 2023. As for the fancifully concocted tale to explain why they're not listed as such on Sumo DB, I regret to inform you that it's simply because Yusho/Jun-yusho/Sansho markers are added *manually* over there and that just hasn't been done yet. Zeyes (talk) 21:31, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
