Talk:Asaduddin Owaisi

Copyvio

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Name of party

The name of AIMIM used is the one given at the Election Commission of India. It is not an exact transliteration from Arabic. --Soman 09:13, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

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Multiple Issues

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The article has Multiple issues, a single source is used for 6 times. The whole sections like Political Career are unsourced. Not sure what to tag--sarvajna (talk) 19:47, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Undue Comment

This comment that is being added by @Human3015: is one of the comments made by a politician. Politicians make thousand comments, we need not add everything here. @Human3015: can you please discuss it here? -sarvajna (talk) 05:46, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

What source you have that he gave thousands of comments, and why you think that this comment is not significant?? This comment ifs about India-Pakistan relation, about religion, about terrorism, about his philosophy. No one is reverting it except you. --Human3015 05:49, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

It is a common sense that politicians make comments, the onus is on you to prove that the comment is significant. one comment doesn't form a philosophy you need much more than that. May be you first form a new section about his philosophy and expand there. -sarvajna (talk) 05:55, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Ok, One hand you are saying that politicians give thousands of comments and other hand saying that one comment does not makes philosophy. Ok , as per consensus made in talk page, I will make separate section on his philosophy and will expand there. Thank you. --Human3015 06:04, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

The point is that this is a biography (life story) article. If you want to collect all the views promoted by Owaisi and create a section for them in a balanced way, that would be fine. But just putting one statement there and giving it an entire paragraph is undue.

Coming to this topic, why is it so special for an award-winning Member of Parliament to be saying things in defence of the country? Kautilya3 (talk) 06:20, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

You know, I'm not supporter or opposer of Owaisi, I'm creating special section on his philosophy which I'm writing currently in balanced way. And writing about this issue is important because he has been criticised by many people specially on twitter and facebook for being "Pro-Pakistani" or "Pro-Terrorists". --Human3015 06:37, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

@Kautilya3:, as directed by AdhunikaSarvajna, I have created separate section for his philosophy. According to Xtools Owaisi this page has 46 watchers, and my last edit about Owaisi's views on Hafiz was part of article since 2 days and only one user was having problem with that edit, but that issue is also solved now as I made separate section for it as said by him/her. Thank you. --Human3015 08:26, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Ok, that is a start. But right now it is a WP:QUOTEFARM, which is not proper style. You need a holistic view of his views. Reading analytical articles, e.g. [1], will help you get a holistic view. There is also too much emphasis on Pakistan. He is a leader of Indian Muslims. So the primary focus should be on his views on Indian Muslim aspects. Kautilya3 (talk) 10:48, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Kautilya3 for your reply and for being cooperative and not reverting it directly. Now about topic, The link you provided is like a blog/column of an individual, we can also add about that, we can add about his demand for reservation for muslims, actually i will add it soon. And so much focus on Pakistan is because, his party MIM was the same party which was 100% officially pro-Pakistani before independence and demanded their home state Hyderabad state to be independent nation or part of pakistan, but that was different leadership that time and pro-Pakistani activists either jailed or flew to Pakistan and then controll of MIM came in hands of Owaisi dynasty. But still accusations are going on them that they are still pro-Pakistani like you shared link "another Jinnah", so thats why more focus on his "anti-Pakistan" statements. And yes we can add his statements about politics regarding Indian muslims too. Thanks again. --Human3015 11:13, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Indeed, opinion columns in newspapers are not reliable sources by default. But we can certainly take factual information from them. More importantly, we can use them for our own understanding of the subject. Tufail Ahmad is a very knowledgeable man. So, please make sure you understand why Owaisi is being likened to Jinnah. This has nothing to do with relating MIM to Pakistan.

As for the old MIM-Pakistan connection, you are talking about stuff that happened a long time ago. Things have changed a lot after independence. It is fairly well-established in scholarly studies that the Indian Muslims have no sympathy for Pakistan and they in fact hold it responsible for a lot of their troubles. All the Muslim disquiet in India is concerned with what is happening in India, not what is happening in Pakistan. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 12:28, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

ya, we should add about "jinnah" too, I have added one more view of him regarding Indian muslims and hindutva. Mention about Pakistan in one line written as "he do have ideological difference with BJP but on issue of Pakistan or enemies of nation, he is united with them". Thats why mention of Pak is important here as BJP is major political party, claimed as Hindutva party, but he is ready to support them in Pak issue. So its important to add in political view. Other mention about Pakistan is regarding Hafiz, that shows his political views regarding Islam and Jihad. That shows how he sees Islam. So mention of that is also needed. In short, both comments looks like its regarding hating Pakistan but it actually implies his views regarding Islam and BJP. Cheers. --Human3015 12:52, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Moreover, Kautilya you said "Indian muslims are very much patriotic and its well known fact so no need to mention about Pakistan", but here this article is not about all Indian muslim, it is about Owaisi and MIM, Indian muslims don't have tag of pro-Pakistani but MIM do had Pro-Pakistani tag for long period. And recently fake posters were published in name of Owaisi saying that he will support pakistan if Indo-Pak war takes place. So these things are important to mention and as I said its mainly about his views regarding Islam and BJP. And Aman Ki Asha is one of major Indo-Pak programme and mention of that is important as it was held in Pakistan. --Human3015 13:21, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

No, I never used the word "patriotism."

As you can see in this article, [2], Owaisi is asking for reservations for Muslims. But, Shiv Sena's diverting attention by bringing the Pakistan bogey. Your writing is doing the same thing. It is diverting attention from the real issue. Kautilya3 (talk) 14:07, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm writing it in talk, I'm not using any awful or bad language in article, I'm just writing his views on "Pakistan", "Islam", "Indian Muslims", "Terrorism", "Hindutva", "BJP" etc. I think all points are covered. I think you should make appropriate edit according to your thinking, we can discuss about that later. Or if you don't have time then tell "exactly" what you are expecting from me to write? --Human3015 14:15, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

@NQ:, here we are discussing same issues for whole day and you just started your cleaning work without any discussion here. Your most of edits are good, but we have to mention Owaisi's remarks at Aman Ki Asha programme held in Pakistan. Many big leaders of other parties from India and Pakistan were present in that event, it is very significant thing. Discuss here. --Human3015 16:26, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Apologies. Please feel free to add any information you deem necessary after reaching a consensus here. Please paraphrase, instead of adding direct quotes. Make sure to read WP:LONGQUOTE. Thank you. - NQ (talk) 16:34, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

NQ, Well thanks for your clean up, but do keep this page on your watch because Owaisi is controversial figure and this page is often prone to vandalism or personal POV edits. --Human3015 16:41, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

For those who are thinking that NQ has deleted controversies, then please check section of Political carrier, controversies are written in that section. --Human3015 16:49, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

musalmano k saat na insaafi chal rahi hai

K apse guzarish hai k ap lokshaba me jaakar ye baat kahe k musalmano k saath nai insaafi chal rahi hai Khanshebaz (talk) 17:57, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Would you care to state in English please? - Kautilya3 (talk) 18:09, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

@Khanshebaz, please elaboratote so that we can work this out...thanx ---Adamstraw99 (talk) 11:48, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

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@Adamstraw99: Edit summaries like Undid revision 710247113 by Kautilya3 (talk) well referenced and more importantly, it is within the context as implies historic organizational behaviour when controversial speeches are discussed are better discussed on the talk page. It also skirts the reason for my revert: This article is not on Asaduddin's grandfather. Neither is this article on the "Owaisi clan" like your source is. Nor on the organization. You are exhibiting standard WP:COATRACK-behaviour. - Kautilya3 (talk) 08:32, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

@ Kautilya3 I can confirm that I won't be adding anything related to his grandfather's views or history of "Owaisi clan" and their activities in this section.. but, I have just changed this section's heading to "Controversies and Hate Speech".. which i think is more relevant to the developments/acts associated with Asaduddin Owaisi .. thanx Adamstraw99 (talk) 17:36, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I don't think your new edit is appropriate because no "hate speeches" by Owaisi are mentioned. - Kautilya3 (talk) 17:38, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

@ Kautilya3 They will be mentioned if you allow other people to continue editing...there is one against salman khan, one against chiranjivi, one during maharashtra assembly polls, one against Modi, one in context of Ishrat jahan, Provocative Remarks at Bihar Rally and numerous against Mohan Bhagwat...they are all in public domain... thanks Adamstraw99 (talk) 17:49, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

There is no ban on adding new content. But please note that there is a lot of stuff in the "Political career" section already, and you seem to be duplicating it in a new section. - Kautilya3 (talk) 18:08, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

@ Kautilya3 only one hate speech (Modi) is mentioned in political career section.. and political view has entirely different topic.. what about the instances i mentioned in previous comment? If they are all in public domain then How can you stop people from adding them and warning them not to add? this is beyond me.. this is not the Wikipedia i was assuming it was... thanks..Adamstraw99 (talk) 18:23, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

You are welcome to add content. But you need to have as your goal providing an informative article to the readers, not merely mud-slinging. So far the evidence points to the contrary. As long as you are not focused on the purpose of Wikipedia, you will likely keep running into problems with other editors. - Kautilya3 (talk) 18:45, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

@Kautilya3, Where is mud-slinging? this is not a world of fiction.. what is happening is being reported/added with sources.. And I can assure you his philanthropy work (hospitals, physiotherapy centres etc. ) should/will also be added by me (or other people) once they emerge in prominence as strongly as these incidents/activities..Experienced editors should be aware of the fact that fiction doesn't stand on Wikipedia.. truth..or rather facts, will be added even if you don't like them.. on one hand you say -"you need to have as your goal providing an informative article" but when the "information"(no matter how reliable, well-sourced, relevant or notable it is) is not what you want to read (or want others to read) you get hurt and start issuing warnings to other editors? .. that's quite unfair.. and finally, i was avoiding this, but Are You, Kautilya3, not exhibiting WP:OWNBEHAVIOR ??? .. thanks --Adamstraw99 (talk) 19:10, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Rasulnrasul edit

@Rasulnrasul: I am not sure why this edit is needed. An instance of cutting off the nose to spite the face? - Kautilya3 (talk) 10:08, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: I added context along with alleged controversy. Can I know why did you revert it ?--Rasulnrasul (talk) 13:01, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

I haven't reverted it. I am still waiting for your answer. The context doesn't alter the view in any way, or diminish it or qualify it or whatever. - Kautilya3 (talk) 16:22, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Initial sentence added by other user was his opinion or opinion of most of the news papers mostly its a political view. Rasulnrasul (talk) 21:19, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

1 crore reward for tongue

Please add the information about fascist party cadre Shyam Prakash Dwivedi announcing ₹1 crore reward for Owaisi's tongue.

Source - http://www.ibnlive.com/news/politics/bjp-leader-calls-owaisi-traitor-announces-rs-1-crore-reward-for-cutting-his-tongue-1217188.html

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Anybody can add any info if its notable and relevant...please go ahead and do so --Adamstraw99 (talk) 07:54, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2016

Please add the sect of Islam that Asaduddin Owaisi. He belongs to Shia Sect Skaranam (talk) 04:15, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. @Skaranam: What's your source that he belongs to this sect? —C.Fred (talk) 04:19, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

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Asaduddin Owaisi - Shia or Sunni ?

Why is there no information on Owaisi's background - Is he a Shia or Sunni ? Can anyone add some reliable information to the article in this regard . Thanks  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.248.42 (talk) 19:15, 2 March 2018 (UTC) 

There is a claim on the main page that he is a Sunni but the reference cited does not contain that. It is stated to be an "inference" by the Wiki editor so cleaning that up. --Puck42 (talk) 23:10, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

this article says he is shia.. but i doubt the neutrality of this article so won't add it in main space.. let's see if anybody else can come up with a better source .. -- Adamstraw99 (talk) 22:14, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

I have even a higher level question. Why does it matter for this article that he is a Shia or a Sunni? This is, IMO, trivia, which has no place on this page. Adamgerber80 (talk) 05:25, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

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