Talk:Alex de Campi

Alex DeCampi's role in Ed Piskor's suicide

I noticed that an edit referencing the late Ed Piskor's implication of Alex DeCampi's (among others) role in his suicide had been removed with what seems like dubious reasoning (no "second source" for the direct link to Piskor's suicide note which he wrote and posted to Google Docs). I didn't want to inadvertently start an edit war, so I thought I would ask about the inclusion of that information here. The death and suicide note had been mentioned by several sources that are used as sources for other Wikipedia articles (including NYTimes, Entertainment Weekly, etc.), as well as being linked to directly from his Facebook.

Therefore, I think it's valid to at least mention that Alex DeCampi was named in a suicide note in which Ed Piskor declares that he "was murdered by Internet bullies", as well as the implication re: "Alex DeCampi, may you continue to have zero success no matter how hard you continuously leverage other people’s business from your bully pulpit." MechanoidWarhead (talk) 08:31, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi - I also don't want to enter into an edit war. I was worried that the "Controversies" addition is simply defamatory and may go against the libel warning at the top of this page. Ed Piskor wasn't "murdered" - he committed suicide. That he made unfounded assertions about other people only proves that one suicidal individual made some unfounded assertions.

Can we not recognize the irony that people who are posting about how we should be careful about making public accusations are going to rather a lot of trouble to make sure that a public accusation (one without any supporting evidence) is going to get posted onto this page?

Further, the added text is not accurate - it builds assumptions around the meaning of a single quote and expands on it, without any supporting evidence. It then goes on to talk about a broader community discussion by referencing responses to his Facebook suicide-post, as if that's somehow a credible source of information or at all relevant to this page.

Boffoon (talk) 01:41, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Ruben. The information contained in the “controversies” section that was added and then removed was wholly accurate. There are sources abound that Alex DeCampi was implicated in the death of Ed Piskor by himself in his own final written words. The addition that was removed was not accusatory towards Alex DeCampi. It did not say that she killed Ed Piskor, but mearly that there was controversy around his death where he explicitly called her out by name (among others). The proper term is “died by suicide.” “Committed suicide” is an outdated negative term that implies that the person “wanted” to die, or that others were not involved in the death, even if the final act was done by self harm. To say that Ed Piskor was “not murdered” is not fact. If you research people that have died by their own hands after being bullied into submission, you would find that there have been instances of these “bullies” being charged with murder or manslaughter in a court of law. Ed’s dead has neither been proven or disproven in a court of law to have fallen under these circumstances. Alex DeCampi was not defamed by stating true facts that concern. There is controversy surrounding her (among others) regarding the death of Ed Piskor. It is true that several credible national sources have covered this topic. The summary of facts as well as the title “controversies” are accurate and appropriate for Alex DeCampi’s Wiki page (as well as the Wiki pages of the others explicitly implicated in Ed’s note). The foundation of his accusations are readily available on the internet via screenshots of posts bullying and defaming Ed Piskor that have since been deleted by the accused, but still exist. Ed was bullied mercilessly, had his livelihood taken away, had his friends distanced from him due to threats of their livelihoods being taken away, and he first handedly states that all this is the impetus for his death. Alex DeCampi (as well as the others mentioned in Ed’s note) are connected to his death as no less than a controversy. This record needs to be preserved. Golobulus (talk) 17:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

To speak to your last point - if the record needs preserved, then wouldn't it be best preserved on Ed Piskor's page? (Rhetorical.) Boffoon (talk) 01:50, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I understand your question is rhetorical, but adding it to Ed Piskor's article is a very good suggestion. MechanoidWarhead (talk) 07:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

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