Talk:Abdolmalek Rigi

Complete POV

Rewrite

I rewrote the article with an eye for characterizing the sources properly and excluding non-reliable sources. ∴ Therefore | talk 17:13, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I would say it needs a re-edit. Its been 2 years since the re-writing and the comments haven't been sourced. Boils (talk) 19:24, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

different versions of the Arrest

You're right I should have been more careful. Your edits however also make untrue claims. --BoogaLouie (talk) 21:54, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

You did not cite the "the original text of the ambassador's statements in Persian", you cited Reuters english language article! Why should english lanugage readers take your word for what "the original Perisan" says? --BoogaLouie (talk) 22:51, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

POV

Kurdo's edits are larded with qualifiers minimizing non-IRI versions of the arrest: "earlier, different and unverifiable version ... speculated ... speculated ... without giving any further details." As far as I can tell every one of these qualifiers are his POV and NOT from the news articles cited. --BoogaLouie (talk) 23:17, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

There is no "IRI versions" of the arrest. The main account of the arrest, has been independently verified by third-party News agencies, as well as the Bishkek airport and Kyrgyzstani media. The alternative versions you're propagating, are half-baked conspiracy theories, mostly based on opinion pieces and weblog postings that should not be used as a source in Wikipedia anyways. --Kurdo777 (talk) 23:37, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

So what are these "third-party News agencies"? The one source for the article says:

An Iranian lawmaker said on Tuesday that top Sunni militant Abdolmalek Rigi was arrested while travelling on a flight heading to an Arab country via Pakistan. ... State-owned Arabic language Al-Alam television reported that Rigi, the alleged mastermind of several deadly bombings and killings, was arrested “inside Iran” on Tuesday in the eastern part of the country.

This is "independent verification"? --BoogaLouie (talk) 17:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

In case of arguments, I think we should stick to official version. I don't see need for opinion-talk from conflicting sources. This is not an opinion page. Two paragraphs that specially stand out in that respect: 1) Al-Jazeera quote 2) BBC. It's okay to add Pentagon's statement though; that is official. --119.152.172.132 (talk) 19:47, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, Wikipedia does not stick to official government sources in its articles. --BoogaLouie (talk) 21:14, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

latest edits by Kurdo

In rvting an edit of mine Kurdo's edit summary states: promising "more details" is from the source, you can not use a blog as a source, and the main account is supported by Reformist Iranian sources as well)

He also told me on my talk page that:
Blogs are not considered reliable source, and should not be used on Wikipedia. Newspaper blogs are no exception, as they're not subject to the newspaper's full editorial control, and therefore can not be considered reliable secondary sources.

However the WP:RS page says: "Blogs" in this context refers to personal and group blogs. Some newspapers host interactive columns that they call blogs, and these may be acceptable as sources so long as the writers are professional journalists or are professionals in the field on which they write and the blog is subject to the newspaper's full editorial control. Posts left by readers may never be used as sources.

So I'm going to resotre what Kurdo has deleted. --BoogaLouie (talk) 21:14, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, what you're quoting does not apply to the blog you used, what you cited is not an "interactive column", it's a blog, and it's not clear if it has any editorial supervision or not. In any case, "may be acceptable as sources" is not good enough when dealing with controversial claims and topics. It is Wikipedia's policy that exceptional claims require exceptional sources, and no blog is an exceptional source. --Kurdo777 (talk) 21:24, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

An "exceptional claim" being one that contradicts the IRI regime?

BTW enlighten us as how you distinguish between an "interactive column", a newspaper blog. --BoogaLouie (talk) 21:45, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

An "exceptional claim" being one that contradicts the main account of the events, which have been verified independently. Do not use blogs, so I won't have to "enlighten" as to why blogs are not good sources. I've kept the Al-Jaazera claim/report in question , now that it's properly sourced, and also restored my my improvements/minor expansions which you deleted without a proper rational, you can't just label other editor's improvements to the text as "clumsy writing". --Kurdo777 (talk) 22:15, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

You said

what you cited is not an "interactive column", it's a blog, and it's not clear if it has any editorial supervision or not.

What is the difference between a permitted "interactive column" and a forbidden blog? --BoogaLouie (talk) 23:13, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

You said

The Tehran-based news analysis site Iran Diplomacy, citing the same report, claimed that Rigi was arrested by, or with the help of, Pakistan

What is the evidence Diplomacy.ir report cited the same and not some independent (confirming) report? --BoogaLouie (talk) 23:21, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

That's not a "report", or an objective news story, but an opinion piece, or "analysis" at best, which shouldn't not have been cited in the first place. Iran Diplomacy's news item is here Kurdo777 (talk) 23:53, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

What Diplomacy.ir or the newspaper blog? When has commentary been forbidden? What evidence do you have its an "opinion piece"? --BoogaLouie (talk) 00:20, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Neither one. I was talking about the opinion piece hosted on PBS. As for the difference between blogs and interactive columns, I am not the one insisting on using blogs, you are, so it's up to you prove that blog in question has editorial supervision and is an "interactive column". Even if it was an interactive column, the policy says that it "may be acceptable as sources", not that it is a good source. --Kurdo777 (talk) 21:06, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Al-Jazeera link

I feel Al-Jazeera's claim about Rigi being arrested by Paksitan should cite Al-Jazeera's link. At the moment, it points to two articles; one by Guardian and other by NY Times. --yh (talk) 23:36, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

When and how will he be executed?

СЛУЖБА (talk) 21:36, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Probably soon, and like his brother who was executed today.Lihaas (talk) 03:09, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Year of birth

This article has three years of birth for the same man. Sarcelles (talk) 15:02, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Presstv documentary claims he is born in 1983,arabic wikipedia states also 1983. he can not be born in 1979 because he is supposed to be younger then his older brother Abdolhamid Rigi whos born in 1979 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mehrnia (talk • contribs) 19:01, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

??????? Needs editing

"This incidence resulted in public condemnation by the Iranian-American community in the U.S, many of whom are opponents of the Iranian government, as well as the Iranian government" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ditc (talk • contribs) 22:06, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Be WP:Bold add it.(Lihaas (talk) 03:09, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Please don't lose sense of reality with regards to military capabilities!

The story about his plane being intercepted by iranian jetfighters over Gulf waters is definitely false info. There is a USN CVN battlegroup on permanent station in the Gulf, with 75 warplanes, each one better than the best of ancient, unmodernized iranian F-5 and F-14s. USN's Hawkeye AWACS plane already sees iranian fighters while taxiing at the military airport, even before they take off and then its AMRAAM live testing day for Super Hornets!

The might of USN CVN battlegroup versus land-based airforces has been proven already back circa 1986-88 near Libya (2xSu-22, 2xMiG-23 russkie planes written off) and Iran (Airbus A-300 airliner downed by a single SM missile). There is no way iranian jetfighters could have pirated an airliner over Gulf airspace in spite of american Standard-2 and AMRAAM missile umbrella! 91.83.4.102 (talk) 13:03, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

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