Talk:2023 shooting of Palestinian students in Burlington, Vermont
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What is meant when the article refers to the victims as Palestinians?
editAre they citizens of the State of Palestine or are they "of Palestinian background"? I saw the latter used often when early reports on the shooting were released, but this article refers to them simply as Palestinians. Is this the case or are they American citizens or nationals of some other country? Nythar (💬-🍀) 22:07, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- I believe two were U.S. citizens and one was a U.S. legal resident. CarmenEsparzaAmoux (talk) 22:27, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. That fact should probably be clarified in the lede and body. Nythar (💬-🍀) 23:08, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- Adding to this, the title isn't accurate. "2023 shooting of Palestinian students in Burlington, Vermont" makes it seem like they're actually Palestinian and not American. They can be both ethnically Palestinian and American; describing them as "Palestinian students" isn't accurate if two are American citizens. Something like "2023 Burlington, Vermont shooting" may be a good alternate title. Nythar (💬-🍀) 01:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Nythar: I agree. The article should be named differently. The criteria for article titles includes requirements to be concise and consistent with similar articles. Notable events, especially crimes that involve shootings that target multiple people are named for "when", "where" and "what" happened, not who the victims might be, especially if these people are still living. An additional issue is that the suspect should be considered innocent until found guilty, beyond reasonable doubt, so I wonder if Wikipedia should even have an article about this event until the perpetrator is convicted. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 09:02, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- From what I know, articles on events like this are acceptable if the events are notable. One such article I can think of was "Killing of George Floyd" which later became "Murder of George Floyd" when Derek Chauvin got convicted. But you've got a point on the victims' description in the title; it also places emphasis on who they are and appears to suggest they were shot because they were Palestinian or of Palestinian descent, even though the suspect hasn't been convicted. It's best to not rely on news reports and to wait until a conviction is secured before suggesting a motive. Nythar (💬-🍀) 09:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Nythar: I agree. The article should be named differently. The criteria for article titles includes requirements to be concise and consistent with similar articles. Notable events, especially crimes that involve shootings that target multiple people are named for "when", "where" and "what" happened, not who the victims might be, especially if these people are still living. An additional issue is that the suspect should be considered innocent until found guilty, beyond reasonable doubt, so I wonder if Wikipedia should even have an article about this event until the perpetrator is convicted. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 09:02, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- Adding to this, the title isn't accurate. "2023 shooting of Palestinian students in Burlington, Vermont" makes it seem like they're actually Palestinian and not American. They can be both ethnically Palestinian and American; describing them as "Palestinian students" isn't accurate if two are American citizens. Something like "2023 Burlington, Vermont shooting" may be a good alternate title. Nythar (💬-🍀) 01:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. That fact should probably be clarified in the lede and body. Nythar (💬-🍀) 23:08, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Name of suspect
editthe suspect has been named as Jason Eaton 81.101.0.145 (talk) 16:47, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
See https://www.thedailybeast.com/mary-reed-mother-of-burlington-suspect-jason-j-eaton-speaks-out — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.101.0.145 (talk) 16:54, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
Names not included?
editWhy aren't the names of the students, who I believe are all adults whose names have been prominent in reliable sources, included here? — ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 23:56, 31 December 2023 (UTC)