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classifying stages, country of origin for teams

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I just had two questions:

  1. Should the sixth stage be reclassified as "hilly" since there are three KOM sections? It seems weird to fully classify it as a flat stage when those points are being awarded.
  2. Why do we not include country of origin flags for the teams? The tour website does and each team's wiki page notes the teams country. Bullshark44 (talk) 14:19, 9 July 2015 (UTC)Reply
Re: stage classification - shouldn't we follow the classifications given in the official reference (http://www.letour.com/le-tour/2015/us/overall-route.html)? At least, we currently have some conflicting information about stage 3, as the table claims it's medium mountains, while the text above refers to it as being classified flat. --David Edgar (talk) 22:02, 17 July 2015 (UTC)Reply

Favourite or favorite?

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I'm British, so I spell it favourite, but I believe Americans spell it favorite. What should be used for this article? BaldBoris 17:40, 23 July 2015 (UTC)Reply

A bit late, but WP:RETAIN covers it. "When an English variety's consistent usage has been established in an article, maintain it in the absence of consensus to the contrary". As this isn't an American race, then the English usage is fine. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 10:13, 27 July 2015 (UTC)Reply

Winning time speed

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Does speed of Froome's winning time speed of 39.64 km/h take in the addition of the time bonuses he accumulated during the race? BikeRaceInfo is the source currently given for the speed; although it's a reliable source, I don't think they've removed the time bonuses. There's no mention in the Tour's official tech partner's data review [1]. Should it be taken out completely? BaldBoris 00:47, 30 July 2015 (UTC)Reply

Froome only got 20 bonus seconds: 6 on stage 3, 10 on stage 10, 4 on stage 19. That doesn't change the rounding to 39.64 km/h. If we assume exactly 3360.3 km and ignore all the more important factors than bonus seconds in a "real" average, his average only drops from 39.6399 to 39.6373 if we add 20 seconds to his official winning time. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:47, 30 July 2015 (UTC)Reply
And on several other stages, he was given the time of the rider at the front of the group, although he finished some time later, particularly in Paris and Le Havre. The recorded time is essentially a score, not a reliable record of actual time spent between start and finish points. Also, who records the time interval between the clock starting and any individual rider crossing the line of the départ real? Average speed is not reliable. Kevin McE (talk) 17:56, 1 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

GA Review

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Reviewer: Zwerg Nase (talk · contribs) 10:50, 1 August 2015 (UTC)Reply


On it! :) Zwerg Nase (talk) 10:50, 1 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

When do you intend to begin? I just want to double-check the overview section. BaldBoris 14:36, 1 August 2015 (UTC)Reply
I will probably start with others first, so take your time :) Zwerg Nase (talk) 17:49, 1 August 2015 (UTC)Reply


  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose):   b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):  
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section):   b (citations to reliable sources):   c (OR):  
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects):   b (focused):  
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:  
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:  
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales):   b (appropriate use with suitable captions):  
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:  

Here we go, the following things need to be sorted out:

  • Route and stages: This section should include the fact that there was a team time trial and say something about the lack of ITTs in this year's edition.
  Done BaldBoris 02:35, 10 August 2015 (UTC)Reply
  • Race overview: You should mention that Dennis lost the jersey because he too was in the latter group.
  Done BaldBoris 00:44, 10 August 2015 (UTC)Reply
  • I find mountainous affair to be too colloquial.
  Done BaldBoris 00:44, 10 August 2015 (UTC)Reply
  • Last paragraph: The final stage in Paris was won by Greipel, his fourth of this year's Tour. I would add victory after fourth.
  Done BaldBoris 00:44, 10 August 2015 (UTC)Reply
  • Classification leadership: When speaking about how time differences are not taken in the final 3 km, you should also note the fact that no differences towards the GC were counted on the last stage starting with the first lap of the Paris circuit. I also believe that this was a new rule.
  Done BaldBoris 00:44, 10 August 2015 (UTC)Reply
  • Classification leadership: The first sentence of the mountains classification paragraph is incorrect, since the points are not awarded to those who climb the fastest but to those who reach the summit first. You describe it a lot better in the second sentence, so maybe just merge those two together.
  Done BaldBoris 00:44, 10 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

That's about all I could find. Good job! :) Zwerg Nase (talk) 12:47, 9 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

Good job! There is one more thing now: You have now taken out the fact that Quintana lost 1:28 on stage 2, which I find quite important, since he would have won the Tour otherwise. So maybe you could include that again? But since I don't consider this to be a reason not to pass the article, it's a pass nonetheless. Congrats! Zwerg Nase (talk) 07:28, 10 August 2015 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for this Zwerg. Yes I know, this is because at that time of the race Quintana was just another favourite and shouldn't really be picked out over the others. I was going to include the others that missed out, but that's six full names, so instead named the three that gained. It still says that he lost time, just now it's indirect. Please let me know if this make sense to you. BaldBoris 09:38, 10 August 2015 (UTC)Reply
OK, understood. Zwerg Nase (talk) 10:53, 10 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

Layout Final standings

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Legend
  Denotes the winner of the general classification[1]   Denotes the winner of the points classification[1]
  Denotes the winner of the mountains classification[1]   Denotes the winner of the young rider classification[1]
  Denotes the winner of the team classification[1]   Denotes the winner of the super-combativity award[1]

General classification

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Final general classification (1–10)[2]
Rank Rider Team Time
1   Chris Froome (GBR)     Team Sky 84h 46' 14"
2   Nairo Quintana (COL)     Movistar Team + 1' 12"
3   Alejandro Valverde (ESP)   Movistar Team + 5' 25"
4   Vincenzo Nibali (ITA) Astana + 8' 36"
5   Alberto Contador (ESP) Tinkoff–Saxo + 9' 48"
6   Robert Gesink (NED) LottoNL–Jumbo + 10' 47"
7   Bauke Mollema (NED) Trek Factory Racing + 15' 14"
8   Mathias Frank (SUI) IAM Cycling + 15' 39"
9   Romain Bardet (FRA)   AG2R La Mondiale + 16' 00"
10   Pierre Rolland (FRA) Team Europcar + 17' 30"

Points classification

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Final points classification (1–10)[2]
Rank Rider Team Points
1   Peter Sagan (SVK)   Tinkoff–Saxo 432
2   André Greipel (GER) Lotto–Soudal 366
3   John Degenkolb (GER) Team Giant–Alpecin 298
4   Mark Cavendish (GBR) Etixx–Quick-Step 206
5   Bryan Coquard (FRA) Team Europcar 152
6   Chris Froome (GBR)     Team Sky 139
7   Thibaut Pinot (FRA) FDJ 113
8   Alejandro Valverde (ESP)   Movistar Team 103
9   Thomas de Gendt (BEL) Lotto–Soudal 90
10   Alexander Kristoff (NOR) Team Katusha 90

Mountains classification

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Final mountains classification (1–10)[2]
Rank Rider Team Points
1   Chris Froome (GBR)     Team Sky 119
2   Nairo Quintana (COL)     Movistar Team 108
3   Romain Bardet (FRA)   AG2R La Mondiale 90
4   Thibaut Pinot (FRA) FDJ 82
5   Joaquim Rodríguez (ESP) Team Katusha 78
6   Pierre Rolland (FRA) Team Europcar 74
7   Alejandro Valverde (SPA)   Movistar Team 72
8   Jakob Fuglsang (DEN) Astana 64
9   Richie Porte (AUS) Team Sky 58
10   Serge Pauwels (BEL) MTN–Qhubeka 55

Young rider classification

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Final young rider classification (1–10)[2]
Rank Rider Team Time
1   Nairo Quintana (COL)     Movistar Team 84h 47' 26"
2   Romain Bardet (FRA)   AG2R La Mondiale + 14' 48"
3   Warren Barguil (FRA) Team Giant–Alpecin + 30' 03"
4   Thibaut Pinot (FRA) FDJ + 37' 40"
5   Bob Jungels (LUX) Trek Factory Racing + 1h 32' 09"
6   Peter Sagan (SVK)   Tinkoff–Saxo + 2h 13' 43"
7   Adam Yates (GBR) Orica–GreenEDGE + 2h 15' 24"
8   Wilco Kelderman (NED) LottoNL–Jumbo + 3h 02' 55"
9   Emanuel Buchmann (GER) Rádio Popular–Boavista + 3h 07' 35"
10   Merhawi Kudus (ERI) MTN–Qhubeka + 3h 09' 24"

Team classification

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Final team classification (1–10)[2]
Rank Team Time
1 Movistar Team   255h 24' 24"
2 Team Sky + 57' 23"
3 Tinkoff–Saxo + 1h 00' 12"
4 Astana + 1h 12' 09"
5 MTN–Qhubeka + 1h 14' 32"
6 AG2R La Mondiale + 1h 24' 22"
7 Team Europcar + 1h 48' 51"
8 BMC Racing Team + 2h 41' 46"
9 IAM Cycling + 2h 42' 16"
10 LottoNL–Jumbo + 2h 46' 59"

Hi, I propose table layout above. e.g.: uses the same colors of the jerseys as in the article above and at the moment the layout of the title Final general classification (1–10) is different to the layout of Final general classification (11–160). --W like wiki (talk) 19:10, 14 July 2016 (UTC)Reply

@W like wiki: I think it's better to bring this up on WT:CYC as you're proposal won't just be for this page, but or all races. BaldBoris 19:22, 14 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
good idea! by the way: the position of the tables differs from year to year, e.g.: in 2015 the points classification is below the General classification, in 2014 it's to the right. In 2015 the title is Final standings, in 2014 Classification standings. --W like wiki (talk) 19:39, 14 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
If the proposed change is purely aesthetic based on the colour of jersey and corresponding box then I don't think this is needed. We have enough other boxes which denote jersey colour/wearers so I dont think we need anything else. XyZAn (talk) 20:41, 15 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
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