Talk:2012 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series/Archive 1

Archive 1

Standings tables - unnecessary use of rowspan/colspan

I noticed before that User:Nascarking added colspan and rowspan to some of the cells in the Results and standings section. I reverted while updating the table since it looks rather ugly, breaks up the flow of the table, and causes messy code where it is not needed, especially as no other racing series does this for their comparable tables. Tonight, this user appears to have done it again, but seemed to have made it look even more butt ugly, particularly the Manufacturer section (see [1] for snapshot). Rather than reverting again, I want to bring it up to try and get some consensus about this look. In my opinion, it adds nothing to the usefulness of the tables, and it doesn't exactly save all that much on article file size. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 01:28, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I agree that the table looks much better without the span. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:03, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

The tables look ugly and is more confusing with them. Remove! -- Nascar1996^{(Talk • Contribs)} 03:00, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

The 33 team

So as you all know, the 33 team changed locations from RCR to Joe Falk. Now, the 33 is housed at Hillman Racing's shop, but I don't think they're actually fielding the team. Besides Gil Martin still crew chiefing for the team, there's the issue of the team's name. Falk never said that Hillman was fielding the car, and Childress certainly isn't, so I was wondering what the team name for the new owners of the 33 are, and since Falk said he'd be running the full season (most likely with Raines), should we bump the team to the full time column, and if we do that, should it be placed under RCR?Gaeaman787 (talk) 15:12, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Maybe put both because of the partial schedule for both of them? -- Nascar1996^{(Talk • Contribs)} 19:44, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps, but I don't know if the 33 is being run as a Hillman Racing car. It would make sense, but reports said that Falk was just running out of their shop, and that he was listed as the owner of the 40 car that DNQ'd at Daytona. Since Hillman AFAIK isn't directly running the car, then I don't know. guess I'll just wait. Or someone can ask Tony Raines on twitter on whether or not Hillman is running the 33Gaeaman787 (talk) 20:00, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunatly, Tony doesn't seem to have a Twitter. However, AFAIK from Jayski's and the broadcasts, this is what I can tell:

• Daytona, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Bristol and California: No. 33 is Richard Childress Racing, period.
• Martinsvile: No. 33 is a joint fielding between Childress and Joe Falk, with the sale deal in progress (and at the entry deadline Childress still had full control of the team).
• Texas onwards: No. 33 is Joe Falk, period, using shop space shared with Hillman Racing, which Falk is also a co-owner of [2], at least on the Truck side: while Falk partners with Hillman Racing in the trucks series, his Cup team will be independent [3].

...so, until we find out whether Falk is calling the team LJ Racing, LTD Powersports, or Grand Poobah Racing, it should just be listed as Joe Falk. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:12, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Good idea. We'll just keep them together for the time being. Since they teamed up at M'ville, once Falk has a name for the team, we can do RCR
Joe Falk's Super TeamGaeaman787 (talk) 16:10, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes...update for the 33 team. Buddy Sisco apparently became the crew chief before Texas...and he was also the cc for Hilman Racing's Daytona attempt with Michael Waltrip. Since Falk and Hillman own the race team, this is looking like Hillman Racing is actually fielding the 33, not just housing the team in shop. Which leads us to the question of where to put it in the complete schedule table, since the 33 was run by both Falk and Childress, and that the table is in alphabetical order by team.Gaeaman787 (talk) 01:33, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Nascar Standings Column Order

Request for, or opinions on the suggestion, the Wikipedia Nascar standings to have the total points column placed immediately after the driver's name. The vast panoramic width of the table, with the total points at the farthest distance from the driver's name, makes it very hard to visually tie up within an instant glance the points of the drivers. Also, one really should have the most important stats at the start (driver name and points), everything else is additional information that one can drill through as desired. As an example of the difference in instant comprehension of the key stats please see my Speedway tables at http://speedway.manchesterpaul.net/2011_leagues.html

I do wish all Wikipedia sports standings and tables would have the total points next to the individual or team competitor's name. As with most sports tables nowadays - in view of the numerous categories needing to be included - it's more instantly informative to have matches played and points gained as the first two columns. After all, they are the two key fields that matter with the others just being additional information. If you picture current sports league tables you need to switch your eyeballs to a widescreen mode to make for easy and instant comprehension. This alteration i make to the traditional sports table means that the vital information is available at a glance.

One can check out the football league tables in the newspapers or online, a wealth of information but far from easy on the eye when looking at matches played and points earned. It's the same with all comprehensive tables published be it on the web or printed ones in the press. ManchesterSpeedway (talk) 00:03, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I understand your concern, but WP:MOTOR season articles have the points standings in the last column. Each type of article has its own WikiProject that it is under; for example this article is under WP:MOTOR AND WP:NASCAR, while football articles are under different projects, and each have different styles. -- Nascar1996^{(Talk • Contribs)} 03:55, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 July 2012

Jordan clay harris (talk) 03:28, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Hello there. I was going to look at this request, but I seen that you didn't add a request in the template. Please add a request first. Thanks! -- Nascar1996^{(Talk • Contribs)} 03:58, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry i'm new to Wiki and although i've just enabled my user page and talk page ( i think), for the life of me i can't find out where to 'add a request' in the 'template' let alone where said template is. I'll do my best tomorrow to try and comprehend what is what regards editing and making requests etc. If it helps all i can do for know is stress that, yes it is a request to make the alteration to the Nascar Standings table and/or for thoughts/discussion/'talk' on my proposal and the reasons for it. ManchesterSpeedway (talk) 01:21, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

What is your proposal? -- Nascar1996^{(Talk • Contribs)} 16:27, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Apologies if 'edit request on 8 july' is not referring to my 'Nascar Standings Column Order' or is it? However, i'm pretty sure you are referring to me when asking what is the proposal. The proposal is for the Nascar standings to have the total points column placed immediately after the driver's name. The vast panoramic width of the table, with the total points at the farthest distance from the driver's name, makes it very hard to visually tie up within an instant glance the points of the drivers. Also, one really should have the most important stats at the start (driver name and points), everything else is additional information that one can drill through as desired. ManchesterSpeedway (talk) 21:48, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that it should. The standings should go last, like it is in all motorspots tables, such as 2012 Formula One season and 2012 IndyCar Series season. -- Nascar1996^{(Talk • Contribs)} 21:56, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Could i ask yourself and any others to view the altered table i have placed in my sandbox. I really do think it's a massive improvement in comprehending and aligning the driver's points to the driver's name. As i'm proposing a change, the fact that tables currently have a set format is irrelevant. It's a 'change' i'm suggesting. Many thanks for discussing it so far. ManchesterSpeedway (talk) 09:35, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Update. Doesn't look like other users can view test pages in another's sandbox. Is there anywhere on Wiki that one can display a proposed change to an article so people can see how it looks? ManchesterSpeedway (talk) 09:40, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

I presume you are referring to User:ManchesterSpeedway/sandbox, yes? I don't see much improvement at all. If anything, the points column is now squashed in between the driver's name and the results section, causing it to lose prominence compared to being at the end of the column just like in other wide tables, e.g. in V8 Supercars. It also makes the far end of the table just seem to vanish and seems incomplete. Although part of my "squashed" rationale may be down to User:Nascar1996's edit taking the table font-size down to 77% and abbreviating the points column. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 15:59, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Oh My Goodness! i don't understand what the 'rant' link you give means? I'm new to Wiki so maybe i'm misunderstanding and it's not directed at my proposal but just part of your User link? I'm not aware anyone is arguing or animated here right now? Ok i'll make my last input for my version below and, as i say, let everyone else be the judge of what they wish to see, which is absolutely fine with me. I realize tradition is mighty hard to change.

Firstly, wow, i can assure you that what you are describing at 77% font size does not happen when you view the page normally. I'm very surprised that you can not see not only an improvement but a big improvement. If possible i'd suggest viewing the table in standard size. How on earth can it have less prominence when, in the western world we read from left to right, it is placed ahead of the many columns which come after it. Also, rating imporance of stats, first is the driver's name and second how many points he has gained in the championship.

Secondly, i suggest that those who are unsure whether it improves the table to try this test. Using the current traditional layout, get a friend to randomly fire off twenty drivers names and ask you how many points they have scored and time it. Then using my proposed version do the same and i assure you there will be a great difference in speed of taking in the table. Thirdly, again randomly test both tables using the question of 'how many points is one driver ahead of another driver' and there will be an even bigger difference in speed. All of which indicates that the new table would in normal casual reading of it be more comprehensible.

Lastly, one question coupled with sincerest thanks for any input so far and i'm only trying to help improve an article, not arguing. Can i just please seek an answer to a specific overriding point and on which i feel my proposed table is needed?. Are you or are you not disputing that with the points total next to the driver's name instead of some 40 plus columns away that it is far easier to instantly tie those points up with each driver? I'll be surprsed if you are disagreeing with that 'improvement'? ManchesterSpeedway (talk) 22:21, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

To rebuff your initial horror recoil, it's just the link to the my Talk page. Kinda stems back from a few yeas ago when I used to refer to all my blog posts as "rants", I just really haven't bothered to change my Wiki sig since then.

With the points table being place beside a normal table cell and the coloured first race result, it's not as noticeable compared to at the end of the table, where it is more noticeable by contrasting against the standard Wiki background colour. The fact that it is designated as a table heading cell is a moot point as the slight background colour difference is far more easily looked over. We may read left-to-right, but would humans not see a set of tabled data and interpret it as a whole, looking for key data sections that stand out, similar to when we see a graph?

As someone who has been editing these tables for a few years now, it is unusual to see the points section in such a place rather than being at the far end. To me, my established notes is that the position and name appear on the left, and the overall points appear on the right, with a breakdown of data in the middle. Similarly with recap tables on individual driver's articles, the far left shows the year, and the far right the total points and overall finishing result; with the middle containing results, team, engine and other similar details. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 23:29, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

All-in-all, your debates deviate from the norm that editors across WP:MOTOR utilise, so it would be best if you raised your concerns at WT:MOTOR so that the discussion can be made for all motorsport articles, instead of singling out NASCAR simply because of it's large number of races per year. With that said, I will ask what of the 2012 NASCAR Camping World Truck Series, which only has 22 races this year, making it a lot closer to other racing series, particularly this year's F1 calendar? TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 23:29, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok thank you very much for taking the time to expand your reasoning and thoughts on the proposal. Also, i'm sure i'm seconding the thoughts of many when offering thanks for your years of editing the standings. I'll depart and leave the discussion 'as is' for others to read in the future. Incidentally, i just noticed that no less a site than the sport's official site Nascar.com display the tables in the exact way i suggest. Anyways, i'm off to spend many hours reading up on the truly wonderful world of Wiki editing. ManchesterSpeedway (talk) 22:06, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit Request

I believe it would be beneficial to show the standings before the playoffs. (ie, something like this)

Place	Driver	Points	Wins
1	Greg Biffle	914	2
2	Dale Earnhardt Jr.	902	1
3	Matt Kenseth	895	1
4	Jimmie Johnson	880	3
5	Martin Truex Jr.	878	0
6	Brad Keselowski	868	3
7	Clint Bowyer	858	2
8	Denny Hamlin	850	4
9	Kevin Harvick	841	0
10	Tony Stewart	810	3
11	Kasey Kahne	784	2
12	Jeff Gordon	777	1
13	Kyle Busch	774	1
14	Carl Edwards	747	0
15	Marcos Ambrose	735	0
16	Ryan Newman	734	1
17	Paul Menard	731	1
18	Joey Logano	678	1
19	Jeff Burton	647	0
20	Jamie McMurray	640	0
21	Juan Pablo Montoya	608	0
22	Aric Almirola	587	0
23	Regan Smith	566	0
24	Bobby Labonte	557	0
25	Kurt Busch	499	0
26	Mark Martin	492	0
27	Casey Mears	462	0
28	David Gilliland	451	0
29	David Ragan	437	0
30	Travis Kvapil	434	0
31	Landon Cassill	421	0
32	AJ Allmendinger	400	0
33	Dave Blaney	338	0
34	David Reutimann	316	0
35	David Stremme	184	0
36	Brian Vickers	177	0
37	J.J. Yeley	138	0
38	Michael McDowell	126	0
39	Ken Schrader	111	0
40	Josh Wise	109	0
41	Stephen Leicht	97	0
42	Scott Speed	76	0
43	Michael Waltrip	75	0
44	Tony Raines	67	0
45	Terry Labonte	66	0
46	Brendan Gaughan	50	0
47	Scott Riggs	50	0
48	Boris Said	34	0
49	Bill Elliott	14	0
50	Hermie Sadler	13	0
51	Robby Gordon	11	0
52	Mike Skinner	10	0
53	Tomy Drissi	6	0
54	Stacy Compton	5	0
55	David Mayhew	4	0
56	Patrick Long	2	0
56	Kelly Bires	2	0

I think stating the points before the Chase would be irrelevant at the end of the season... I feel that there is no need for it. -- Nascar1996^{(Talk • Contribs)} 10:33, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

I think it should be in the grid its good info to know if the 13th or 14th drivers had more points at the end of the year like this. Theworm777 (talk) 19:02, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

(key) Bold – Pole position awarded by time. Italics – Pole position set by final practice results. * – Most laps led.

Pos.	Driver	DAY	PHO	LSV	BRI	CAL	MAR	TEX	KAN	RIC	TAL	DAR	CHA	DOV	POC	MIC	SON	KTY	DY2	NHA	IND	PO2	GLN	MI2	BR2	ATL	RI2	Pts	CHI	NH2	DV2	TL2	CH2	KN2	MA2	TX2	PH2	HOM	Pts
1	Denny Hamlin	4*	1	20	20	11	6	12	1	4	23	2	2	18	5	34	35	3	25	2*	6	29	34	11	1	1*	18*	850											2012
2	Jimmie Johnson	42	4	2	9	10	12	2*	3	6	35	1*	11	1*	4	5	5	6	36	7	1*	14*	3	27	2	34	13	880											2009
3	Tony Stewart	16	22	1*	14	1	7	24	13	3	24	3	25	25	3	2	2	32	1	12	10	5	19	32	27	22	4	810											2009
4	Brad Keselowski	32	5	32	1*	18	9	36	11	9	1	15	5	12	18	13	12	1	8	5	9	4	2	2	30	3	7	868											2009
5	Greg Biffle	3	3	3	13	6	13	1	5	18	5	12	4*	11	24	4	7	21	21	9	3	15	6	1	19	15	9	914											2006
6	Clint Bowyer	11	30	6	4	13	10	17	36	7	6	11	13	5	6	7	1*	16	29	3	15	8	4	7	7	27	1	858											2006
7	Dale Earnhardt, Jr.	2	14	10	15	3	3	10	7	2	9	17	6	4	8	1*	23	4	15	4	4	32	28	4	12	7	14	902											2003
8	Matt Kenseth	1	13	22	2	16	4	5	4	11	3*	6	10	3	7	3	13	7	3*	13	35	23	8	17	25	9	5	895											2003
9	Kevin Harvick	7	2*	11	11	4	19	9	6	19	25	16	8	2	14	10	16	11	23	8	13	17	15	16	15	5	10	841											2000
10	Martin Truex, Jr.	12	7	17	3	8	5	6	2*	25	28	5	12	7	20	12	22	8	17	11	8	3	10	10	11	4	21	878											2000
11	Kasey Kahne	29	34	19	37	14	38	7	8	5	4	8	1	9	29	33	14	2	7	1	12	2	13	3	9	23	12	784											2000
12	Jeff Gordon	40	8	12	35	26	14*	4	21	23	33	35	7	13	19	6	6	5	12	6	5	1	21	28	3	2	2	777											2000
Chase for the Championship cut-off
Pos.	Driver	DAY	PHO	LSV	BRI	CAL	MAR	TEX	KAN	RIC	TAL	DAR	CHA	DOV	POC	MIC	SON	KTY	DY2	NHA	IND	PO2	GLN	MI2	BR2	ATL	RI2	Pts	CHI	NH2	DV2	TL2	CH2	KN2	MA2	TX2	PH2	HOM	Pts
13	Kyle Busch	17	6	23	32	2*	36	11	10	1	2	4	3	29	30	32	17	10*	24	16	2	33	7*	13	6	6	16	774											774
14	Carl Edwards	8	17	5	39	5	11	8	9	10*	31	7	9	26	11	11	21	20	6	18	29	7	14	6	22	36	17	747											747
15	Marcos Ambrose	13	32	13	36	21	15	20	16	22	14	9	32	10	13	9	8	13	30	19	20	10	1	5	5	17	15	735											735
16	Ryan Newman	21	21	4	12	7	1	21	20	15	36	23	14	15	12	15	18	34	5	10	7	6	11	8	36	35	8	734											734
17	Paul Menard	6	31	7	10	19	26	18	18	13	17	13	15	17	9	22	20	12	14	17	14	11	12	9	10	8	23	731											731
18	Joey Logano	9	10	16	16	24	23	19	15	24	26	10	23	8	1*	35	10	22	4	14	33	13	32	31	8*	18	30	678											678
19	Jeff Burton	5	33	14	6	22	22	29	22	31	10	18	19	22	15	21	11	24	2	21	32	22	30	19	33	12	6	647											647
20	Jamie McMurray	31	37	8	7	32	20	14	14	14	11	34	21	19	10	14	19	15	13	20	22	18	39	14	17	24	22	640											640
21	Juan Pablo Montoya	36	11	25	8	17	21	16	12	12	32	24	20	28	17	8	34	14	28	25	21	20	33	26	13	21	20	608											608
22	Aric Almirola	33	12	24	19	25	8	22	23	26	12	19	16	6	28	17	28	26	19	28	19	19	18	20	35	32	26	587											587
23	Regan Smith	24	20	15	24	20	16	23	24	27	40	14	17	27	16	28	32	33	34	26	18	9	9	29	16	14	24	566											566
24	Bobby Labonte	14	16	26	28	28	17	27	35	17	21	29	28	20	22	16	24	27	10	23	26	27	27	22	14	19	25	557											557
25	Kurt Busch	39	15	35	18	9	33	13	17	28	20	21	27	24	EX	30	3	19	35	24	36	30	31	30	28	13	28	499											499
26	Mark Martin	10	9	18		12		3	33	8		20	34	14	2	29					11	12		35*		10	3	492											492
27	Casey Mears	25	39	27	25	23	25	25	26	21	18	22	22	41	35	20	15	18	18	36	34	35	16	37	21	33	29	462											462
28	David Gilliland	23	28	33	26	30	28	31	27	36	13	25	26	40	23	27	26	28	31	27	27	21	20	18	20	31	31	451											451
29	David Ragan	43	25	21	23	31	24	35	30	32	7	28	35	21	27	23	27	29	26	34	28	28	22	23	32	28	32	437											437
30	Travis Kvapil		19	39	27	29	27	38	25	30	16	321	29	23	26	26	36	17	16	30	37	25	24	15	18	26	27	434											434
31	Landon Cassill	22	35	36	29	36	29	30	34	20	34	26	18	38	43	18	31	25	32	29	25	26	23	25	24	20	19	421											421
32	A. J. Allmendinger	34	18	37	17	15	2	15	32	16	15	33	33	16	31	19	9	9	EX	EX	EX	EX	EX	EX	EX	EX	EX	400	EX	EX	EX	EX	EX	EX	EX	EX	EX	EX	400
33	Dave Blaney	15	23	29	34	33	34	37	37	29	30	27	40	32	25	25	37	35	22	39	23		36	38	26	25	33	338											338
34	David Reutimann	26	36	31	21	27	35	26	29	33	22	36	DNQ	31	21			23	11	33		24		21			34	316											316
35	David Stremme	37	29	28	38	39	30	DNQ	38	37	39	39	38	33	DNQ	DNQ		36	39	35	24	34		34	37	39	37	184											184
36	Brian Vickers				5		18										4			15			43		4			177											177
37	J. J. Yeley	DNQ	26	43	30	35	37	33	31	DNQ	DNQ	37	DNQ	34	36	37	33	DNQ	40	43	39	40	40	DNQ	DNQ	41	DNQ	138											138
38	Michael McDowell	30	43	38	31	38	40	41	40	39	43	DNQ	36	42	34	38		38	43	40	DNQ		37		23	DNQ	41	126											126
39	Ken Schrader			30	33	32	32									31		31		31	30				42		35	111											111
40	Josh Wise (R)		38	40	43	37	41	39	39	38	42	43	43	DNQ	42	42	30	37	38	37	40	37	38	40	38	DNQ	42	109											109
41	Stephen Leicht (R)									35		DNQ	39	35	33		41	41	42	32	31	DNQ	26	DNQ	40	DNQ	36	97											97
42	Scott Speed						DNQ	43		43		42	37	43			25	39			38		17		DNQ	37		76											76
43	Michael Waltrip	DNQ									19							30	9									75											75
44	Tony Raines	19			Wth		DNQ	34	DNQ		38				32	36						38						67											67
45	Terry Labonte	18									29								20									66											66
46	Brendan Gaughan		27	34	22	43																						50											50
47	Scott Riggs		42	DNQ	41	41	42	42	43	DNQ		DNQ	DNQ	37	40	41		43		41	41	43		41	41	40	39	50											50
48	Boris Said																29						25					34											34
49	Bill Elliott	DNQ									37								37									14											14
50	Hermie Sadler						31																					13											13
51	Robby Gordon	41	41	DNQ	Wth	DNQ											39											11											11
52	Mike Skinner											411		Wth				DNQ			42	41		39				10											10
53	Tomy Drissi																38											6											6
54	Stacy Compton							DNQ							39	DNQ												5											5
55	David Mayhew																40											4											4
56	Kelly Bires																			42					DNQ			2											2
57	Patrick Long																						42					2											2
	Brian Simo																DNQ											–											–
	Mark Green																										DNQ	–											–
Ineligible for Sprint Cup driver points
Pos.	Driver	DAY	PHO	LSV	BRI	CAL	MAR	TEX	KAN	RIC	TAL	DAR	CHA	DOV	POC	MIC	SON	KTY	DY2	NHA	IND	PO2	GLN	MI2	BR2	ATL	RI2	Pts	CHI	NH2	DV2	TL2	CH2	KN2	MA2	TX2	PH2	HOM	Pts
	Sam Hornish, Jr.								19										33	22	16	16	5	12	34	11	11												–
	Trevor Bayne	35		9				28			8		24			43			27		17			24		16													–
	Ricky Stenhouse, Jr.	20																																					–
	Mike Bliss		24			40	DNQ	40	42	42		DNQ	DNQ	36	38	39		42		DNQ	43	39			43	DNQ	40												–
	Austin Dillon															24																							–
	Robert Richardson, Jr.	DNQ									27								DNQ																				–
	Elliott Sadler	27																																					–
	Joe Nemechek	28	40	41	40	DNQ	39	DNQ	41	41	41	40	41	39	37	40	43	40	41	38	DNQ	36	29	36	39	43	38												–
	Reed Sorenson				42	42	43	32	28	34		30		30	41						DNQ	42		42	DNQ	42	43												–
	Danica Patrick	38										31	30												29	29													–
	T. J. Bell												31											33		30													–
	Jason Leffler																						35	43	31	38													–
	Jason White																					31																	–
	Cole Whitt									40		38	42	DNQ																									–
	Chris Cook																42						41																–2
	Timmy Hill (R)		DNQ	42	DNQ	DNQ																																	–2
	Kenny Wallace	DNQ																																					–
	Mike Wallace	DNQ																																					–
	Tim Andrews								DNQ																														–
	Jeff Green								DNQ																														–
	References

• ¹ – Post entry, driver and owner did not score points.
• ² – Hill and Cook started the season running for Cup series points but switched to Nationwide after California (Hill) and Watkins Glen (Cook).

I don't see the point, NASCAR doesn't keep a public record of the "normal" points at the end of the regular season. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 22:23, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

References

Error in results chart

Kurt Busch should be marked as Disqualified (Parked) for the second Talladega race, see the results here: [4][5] --151.203.227.139 (talk) 06:47, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

 Done -- Nascar1996^{(Talk • Contribs)} 18:10, 25 November 2012 (UTC)