Talk:1973 Thai popular uprising

Requested move 16 October 2020

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The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 02:59, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

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1973 Thai popular uprising → 14 October 1973 uprising – The event is most commonly known by the date, especially in Thailand. While various date formats are used, some omitting the day or the year, the full date would be the most specific and the DMY format matches what is used in the article. As an aside, "student uprising" appears to be in more common use than "popular uprising", but it's a bit hard to tell since an Ngram comparison will also include references to the Athens Polytechnic uprising. Pinging RJFF, who made the move to the current title in 2013. Paul_012 (talk) 20:12, 16 October 2020 (UTC)—Relisting. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:01, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• oppose. “Thai” or “Thailand” must be in the title. The article isn’t in Thailand. It has to be introduced to an international readership. This is consistent with the current references. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:52, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
  • I don't think recognisability to an international readership has ever been a criterion for article naming. We have, for example, George Floyd protests, which gives no indication as to the location. Looking at examples from the 1970s, there's Student strike of 1970, Black Action Movement, Women's Strike for Equality, Elm Conflict, 1971 May Day protests, 1973 meat boycott and June 1976 protests. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:13, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
    • They are not all American, but mostly are, with the others European. This is majority bias, the majority thinking that their local sources are broad. They are all poor titles, all based on local names from sources dating from the period. Here, we can look at a number of quality sources, the current references. Just counting down from the top:

1. Suwannathat-Pian, Kobkua (2003), Kings, Country and Constitutions: Thailand's Political Development 1932-2000, RoutledgeCurzon, p. 169

2. Prajak Kongkirati, "Thailand: The cultural Politics of Student Resistance" in Weiss, Meredith L. (ed), "Student Activism in Asia: Between Protest and Powerlessness", University Of Minnesota Press, Minnesota : 2012, pp. 234–241

3. Jumbala, Prudhisan (October 1975). "The Emergence of the Thai Student Movement in Southeast Asian Spectrum". Social Science Review: 9–10.

4. Elinor Bartak, "The Student Movement in Thailand: 1970-1976", Center of Southeast Asian Studies, Monash University, Clayton, Australia:1993

The contectualisation of "Thai" or "Thailand" is very strong, and completely logical, it is central information to the topic. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:33, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

• Move to 14 October 1973 Thai student uprising. It would include all the naming information in a single sentence. Dimadick (talk) 09:03, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose I am aware that in Thailand, it is often simply called the "14 October event". But in English-language sources, I am not sure if "14 October uprising", "October 1973 uprising" or "1973 uprising" prevails. In my opinion, "14 October (1973) uprising" is the least favourable option as it wrongly implies that the event took only one day. I also agree that from a global perspective, "Thai" or "Thailand" should be part of the title. Finally, "student uprising" is often used but misleading, as students were a driving force but not the majority among the hundreds of thousand protesters. --RJFF (talk) 10:37, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Taking another look at this, I wonder whether "student" or "popular" is necessary at all if "Thai" is already going to be included. 1973 Thai uprising seems the most concise and adequately precise. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:44, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

No objections against "1973 Thai uprising". --RJFF (talk) 13:57, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose, the name has to include Thai or Thailand so that the locale is clear.--Astral Leap (talk) 09:56, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

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