Talk:1957 Latin Cup

GA Review

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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 19:26, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

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Prose

Lede

• You can be too close to an article sometimes. The lede doesn't mention the sport being played! Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:17, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Added details about the tournament.Y
• played by clubs of the Southwest European nations of France, Italy, Portugal, and Spain. - we are specifically talking about the winners of the domestic championships. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:17, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Yes, the champions of the domestic leagues. I added that.Y
• There isn't much info on the format of the event/top goalscorers etc. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:17, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Mentioned the format, how many goals were scored, and the top goalscorer. YPizzaKing13 (Hablame) 21:16, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

General

• This article really lacks info on how the event is played. The article goes from the lede that is an overview and then there's no info on what the Latin Cup is, how the tournament works, who won the previous edition or anything else. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:33, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
  • I'll get back to this.
    • I put a brief explanation in the participants section. I think it's relevant enough to fit in that section. PizzaKing13 (Hablame) 21:51, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
• The participants has no text, it's just a table, nothing explaining why those leagues got those placements Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:33, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
  • I'll get back to this.
    • I don't think explaining how the clubs that qualified for the tournament is really relevant for the article. All we really need to know is they made it and why they made it, ie: they were the champions of their league. PizzaKing13 (Hablame) 21:54, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
• You don't need to link Spain Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:33, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Fixed.Y
• Any info on why Spain was chosen as hosts? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:33, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Nope. Sources only state it was hosted in Spain. They don't go into detail why Spain was specifically chosen. My best educated guess would be Spain haven't hosted it since 1949 while France, Italy, and Portugal have all hosted it twice between then, but nothing says that that is the reason for definite.
• were played in one host stadium: the - don't need to say this, just say all matches were at this stadium Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:33, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Fixed.Y
• Why is the bracket and tournament summary all mixed into one section? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:33, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
  • I've seen some pages lump the bracket under the tournament header. I've moved the bracket out into its own header.Y
• The tournament summary starts by giving the matches (even though there is two) and then a para later states the matches again and says what happens. Needs tightening. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:33, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
  • ChangedY
• A few places you have things in brackets (such as referee nationality), these can be included in prose. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:33, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Fixed Y
• Milan and Saint-Étienne, which lost in the semifinals to Real Madrid and Benfica, respectively - we've literally just had a section stating this. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:33, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
  • FixedY
• Milan defeated Saint-Étienne by a score of 4–3 as a result of a 88th minute goal from Swedish midfielder Nils Liedholm - the match results seem really shallow for results with a lot of goals. No other info? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:33, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
  • More detail addedY
• Real Madrid CF - we don't need to state names in full like this all the time. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:33, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
  • FixedY
• The victory over Benfica - seems like a common thing to state things we've already been told Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:33, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
  • ChangedY
• and as the 1957 edition was the final Latin Cup ever held, Real Madrid was the Latin Cup's last ever champion.[ - this is a lot of words to say they were the last champions. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:33, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
  • FixedY
• The results "table" isn't suitable. It's uncited statcruft. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:33, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
  • RemovedY PizzaKing13 (Hablame) 21:35, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Review meta comments

• I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:26, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
  • @Lee Vilenski: I've made changes to what you suggested. PizzaKing13 (Hablame) 21:56, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
    • Ok, cool. I've done a small copyedit and moved some of the sections for uniformity for other similar articles, but otherwise I'm happy with this one. If you have some time, I have some items at GAN, and will keep an eye out for any further items you nominate. Congratulations. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:05, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
      • Thanks! I saw that most of your nominations are sports-related (I'm used to military reviews), but I'll see later today to this week. PizzaKing13 (Hablame) 22:06, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 20:04, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that the 1957 Latin Cup was the last Latin Cup that was hosted? Source: https://www.iffhs.com/posts/986
  • ALT1: ... that the 1957 Latin Cup was the last Latin Cup that was hosted due to the rising popularity of the European Cup? Source: same as hook0
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Amy Santiago
  • Comment: These are the only hooks I could get from this.

Improved to Good Article status by PizzaKing13 (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 15:31, 23 October 2022 (UTC).

• The article is a new enough GA with QPQ present and no textual issues. The problem is the hook. A word for Onegreatjoke. Sometimes, an article that is encyclopedic contains no hooks of value. I've opted against sending some pages I've expanded to DYK because they are devoid of a hook. I would like to propose an ALT2, which might be the only hook available: Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:36, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

  ALT2: ... that the top goalscorer of the 1957 Latin Cup scored all three goals in the same match?

  Also forgot to ping PizzaKing13. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:36, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

  If I had to suggest my own hook, I'd say:

  ALT3: ... that Real Madrid CF won the 1956–57 La Liga, the 1956–57 European Cup, and the 1957 Latin Cup within the span of two months? (Source: El País & RealMadrid.com

  @Sammi Brie: PizzaKing13 (Hablame) 04:23, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

  @PizzaKing13: The article doesn't mention when Real Madrid won La Liga, so I can't take that quite yet. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:03, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

  ALT4: ... that Real Madrid CF won the 1956–57 European Cup and the 1957 Latin Cup within the span of one month? (Source: El País & RealMadrid.com

  @Sammi Brie: PizzaKing13 (Hablame) 04:23, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

  That'd be fine. I would need a new reviewer for ALT2, but 4 is OK, and I'll give a tick for ALT4 only—ALT2 needs review. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 22:34, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

• I was going to promote ALT2, but I see it's not approved, so I guess I'll just review it. I'm assuming where https://www.ceroacero.es/match.php?id=85246 says "Paco Gento 20 47 85", that means he scored goals at those times in minutes, so I'll call that verified/approved. It's (IMHO) the most interesting hook of the bunch. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:42, 31 October 2022 (UTC)